Exactly. The media get their knickers in a twist over these horrendous death totals, whilst all the while, we have absolutely no idea how many are caused soley by corvid. I suspect the number would be very low.
Many people are terrified of this virus Col - way more so than is logical in my opinion - and I think it's due mainly to the constant bombardment in the media with stories of people dying. Not just the numbers, but 'human interest' stories of individuals like you and me - 'you could be next'. Apparently the lockdown is still supported by 74% of the UK population, so nothing's going to change soon. In fact, I heard a suggestion that the government is more likely to extend the lockdown past what might be necessary because lifting it could be unpopular. There's a collective madness going on which may result in some people never gathering with others again. The lockdown has achieved it's main purpose, which was to prevent the NHS being swamped, and I believe it should be ended as soon as possible.
I don’t really see what difference it makes. We know that those with other conditions are more susceptible. If this robbed them of a week/month/year/decade it’s still pushed them over the edge.
Out of interest, what indicators lead you to suspect this? Just how horrendous would the situation be for you to think otherwise? That the ‘ cure may well be worse than the disease’, at this moment in time at least, is for countries that simply didn’t prepare and thereafter were loose with instructions. We have here 2 perfect examples Denmark and Norway vs Sweden Germany vs UK Denmark, Norway and Germany have given strict instructions to maintain check ups and go to hospital if anything serious suspected. Maintained clear lockdowns, have fewer deaths and are projected to come out of this ok. But then again, time to pull together, no one could have done better heh.
Absolutely, the media agenda is unstoppable. It started weeks ago, long before there were reports of the virus here, such that people began phoning in to the programs I listened to saying cut it out. The main stream media is largely a fear and propaganda machine, with virtually no investigation carried out, and never a serious challenge to those it should be holding to account. I’m sick of it. Agree with Col as well, and have thought all along that the action taken to tackle this will cause much more harm in the long term, both through vast austerity, which will surely harm all public services, and personal and commercial economic slaughter. Interesting about that tweet about ventilator use a page or two back, supports that video I posted a couple of weeks ago of Dr Cameron Kyle Sidell.
nice one Woody. Just on a side note and I am sure some will have different opinions... German figures although much lower than ours have started to creep up slowly according to that chart shown today.
I suspect more and more that the government is leading the scientific advice rather than the other way round. I very much hope that public opinion on the lockdown turns and that the government changes course once more.
Today they said 65% of people think the government was doing a bad job re PPE. That has turned around in just over a week. 75% thought the lockdown was the way to go... I think that will change soon.
For ****'s sake. To back up a post I made earlier, I just heard on Newsnight that polling suggests that, even if lockdown was ended, 63% would be too scared to go out! Mad.
Sorry I don’t really get your point (genuinely). Are you disagreeing with Cols original post ? So are you saying the Swedish experiment is wrong ? Just curious as it seems many from there seem to thinking they are doing ok. Going to bed now so probably won’t answer till tmrw at earliest
They are doing ok Compared to the uk/us/italy Not so ok Compared to denmark/finland But you can't compare countries apparently
"I heard a suggestion" sounds suitably vague. Lifting it will be popular when its safe to do so. Most people understand that.
Coronavirus: Lifting lockdowns could see virus 'reignite', WHO warns 3 hours ago Coronavirus pandemic please log in to view this image Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionDr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says the virus remains "extremely dangerous" The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) has warned against complacency in the fight against the coronavirus, saying the disease "will be with us for a long time". Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus also warned of upward trends in Covid-19 cases in Africa, Eastern Europe, Central America and South America. He said that lifting lockdowns could cause infections to "reignite". Dr Tedros also defended the WHO's handling of the pandemic. He said he believed the UN agency had warned the world of Covid-19 early enough. ADVERTISEMENT "Looking back I think we declared the emergency at the right time and when the world had enough time to respond," he told a daily briefing in Geneva. The WHO declared Covid-19 a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January and said it had become a pandemic on 11 March. Why the WHO got caught between China and Trump The Ethiopian at the heart of the coronavirus fight Although many governments have praised the agency for its work, Dr Tedros has faced some calls to resign over the crisis, particularly from a number of US politicians. When asked about calls for his resignation, Dr Tedros said he would keep working "day and night" to save lives. There have been more than 2.6 million confirmed cases of Covid-19 globally and more than 181,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University in the US. What did the WHO say? Addressing the news briefing, Dr Tedros said that while most of the epidemics in Western Europe appeared to be stable or in decline, for many countries the disease was just getting started. "And some (countries) that were affected early in the pandemic are now starting to see a resurgence in cases," he said. "Make no mistake - we have a long way to go. This virus will be with us for a long time." He added: "There is no question that stay-at-home orders and other physical distancing measures have successfully suppressed transmission in many countries. But this virus remains extremely dangerous. "Early evidence suggests most of the world's population remains susceptible. That means epidemics can easily reignite. "One of the greatest dangers we face now is complacency." please log in to view this image Media captionThe artists painting front-line workers for free Speaking alongside him, executive director Dr Mike Ryan said that for large events such as sports fixtures to resume there would have to be a "new social contract" between the public and governments. He said people would have to accept "there is no such thing as zero risk". Earlier the UK government's chief medical adviser warned that the UK would have to live with some disruptive social measures for at least the rest of the year. Prof Chris Whitty said it was "wholly unrealistic" to expect life would suddenly return to normal soon. What criticism has the WHO faced? Last week, US President Donald Trump said the US would halt its funding to the agency, accusing it of mismanaging and covering up the spread of the coronavirus after it emerged in China at the end of last year. BBC Reality Check - Is Trump right to criticise the WHO? It was not the first time that the WHO's response to the outbreak had come under scrutiny. In March, the agency was accused of being unduly influenced by China after a senior official refused to discuss Taiwan's response to the outbreak. Some health experts also say that the WHO's guidance on face masks has led to public confusion. please log in to view this image Media captionShould I wear a mask to stop coronavirus? On Tuesday, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reiterated criticism of China and the WHO. "We strongly believe the Chinese Communist Party did not report the outbreak of the new coronavirus in a timely fashion to the World Health Organization," he told reporters. "The WHO's regulatory arm clearly failed during this pandemic," he added. "Transparency and getting it right is critical to saving lives."
The suggestion was from a political correspondent on the radio. I have no way of knowing whether what they were saying was accurate, but I wonder why they would say it if they didn't believe that there was something in it. How will you judge when it's safe to lift restrictions? In making that judgment will you consider the collateral damage that lockdown is causing now, and the consequences of it in years to come?
2 more deaths 16 in total 9 from the one rest home 3 new cases 1451 in total 8 people in hospital 1065 have recovered 101277 tests completed Over 6000 yesterday Over 1000 tests taken randomly at three supermarkets to check for community infection came back without a single positive result The use of food banks has risen recently by 900%
I suspect this from listening to scientists and experts on how the figures are being formulated. I don't deny that every death is tragic. I'm not saying that those most susceptible shouldn't be protected to prevent them being taken early. I wouldn't want to be the one making these decisions. However, my point is that I strongly suspect that there will be worse suffering because of the way we've trashed the economy. Not because I value the economy above lives, but because of the possibility of more lives being ruined and lost due to lockdown. What was your reaction during those years when tens of thousands of people died due to a particularly bad winter flu outbreak? I wasn't even aware of the numbers. People are dying and will continue to die because of our continued policy towards this virus.
Its not for me to judge as I'm no expert. I am having to trust the government like everyone else. It strikes me as a no win situation though.
