Pardew - Ba and Best are as good as any strike force

Does it even matter? I'd have loved us to have made a net spend of 35 million but we've improved the squad with some real bargains, what's the problem?

EDIT and people are confusing "spent" with "net spent".

 

The post of a defeated man.

I'm well aware of the reality, that we've sold a lot, spent £20mill and still made a profit.

However, I'm just defending Pardew's comment that we've "spent a lot of money", because we have. £20mill to be exact. It could have VERY easily been £0. The statement he made was fact and not a lie.

It's a bit like someone having a £30,000 a year job, then spending £30,000 on a car, but then someone saying that they "haven't spent anything" because they previously made £30,000. It makes no sense.

 

The club spent £20m to replace players and add a few more for added depth. The fact that the players we bought were cheaper than those we sold is good business because it seems from performances so far this season that we have not weakened the team by doing this.

Putting a negative spin on this is again going down the route of saying that you'd have been happier if Ba, Marveaux and Abeid had cost us a combined fee of £15m, just so you could say that we had made a net loss on transfer dealings.

Be thankful that the club is showing business sense in its dealings and not just throwing money around each window like many of the other clubs.

 

I'm convinced a lot of people would be delighted if our summer signings had cost £60m instead of £20m ish, just so they could say 'we spent the Carroll money', as if its some mystical separate massive piggy bank somewhere.

 

Exactly this, I'm glad we didnt spend 10 million on Ba or they'd be absolutely slaughtering him before saturday.

 

I love our new transfer policy. We are actually scouting for new players and spending time assessing their respective strengths/weaknesses. This is a massive contrast to the days of 'marquee' signings who were, on the whole, massively disappointing. My mate who is a Liverpool fan can barely believe that we got Ba, Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye and Santon for the combined price of Henderson. Liverpool are doing what we used to do when we were in and around the top 4, paying over the odds for players in the hope that it'll get them on a par with the very best (or in other words Manure). We may not have spent as much as we have received, but there's no doubt in my mind that we have brought in some quality during a time when transfer fees are ludicrous.

 

If you seriously think that £20m is a lot of money then I think you're having a laugh. Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool & PSG have spent a lot of money

I'm not disputing the fact that we've brought in good players, i'm saying that we have NOT spent a lot of money on players. This whole scenario is being milked by the board... we've started amazingly and Pardew is already pulling the wool over everybodys eyes.

Fine, maintain that £20m is a massive amount of money for a PL team to spend ... fickle fans like you will soon turn around and complain about our lack of quality in depth once the injuries/suspensions start to bite and the results take a slide.

Permit me to remind you once this happens...

Smug ****.

 

Were a mid table club you melon. 20 mill is far more than many other clubs have spent, possibly with more to come in January.

I would have loved for us to spend more, but I'm grateful it was 20 mill, because with ashley it could have EASILY been zilch, or very little.

You ultra helmet.

 

Mid-table club? What? I assume you mean we finished 12th last season so that sets our status does it? ... You may not have noticed, but we're in the top 4. Pardew is suggesting we should all be grateful to the board for spending so much money which has attributed to our current position.

The money spent was simply to replace what had left - even you can see that?

Perhaps not.

 

To be fair you're both as blockaded as each other. Technically we have spent zilch, eg none of this has come directly from the clubs coffers, but at the same time, every penny from sales could have gone on to repay loans and rubbing costs etc.

However, if you think we've only replaced what we had, you're blinded by Ashley hate. If you think we've not improved then it's somewhat naive, we couldn't possibly afford to keep players and add in the way we have. Cabaye is infinitely better than Nolan, abeid is a great signing for the future, Ba represents good value for money, Santon is a good player, Obertan and Marveaux offer us pace and ability on the ball we've craved for seasons.

In terms of players lost, Barton has been replaced quite well, Nolan superbly, and Enrique adequately. Add to that the players that have technically replaced deadwood like Campbell, Kuqi and Routledge with far superior players and the squad compared to the day the transfer window is definitely better.

 

This. THIS!

 

If i'm blinded by Ashley hate then you are blinded by our good start...

You're right, we have spent "zilch" but the only person we're in debt to is Mike Ashley. I have not doubted the ability of the new players to replace the old ones but I think you'll have to concede it's a bit premature to sing the praises of Santon quite yet!.

I don't have any issue with the squad that we have although I think everyone can see we need a top class striker in January. Best is doing well just now and Ba has started to fire but who would replace them if they were injured?.

The team play has improved this season but we will just have to ignore the 'performance' at QPR where we should have had our backsides handed to us. I'm delighted and surprised as anyone else about the way we've started but it doesn't alter the lack of investment. We are short at left back, it's been more luck than judgement that Raylor has filled in so well but now Santon is injured we're going to have to persevere with Raylor or Perch!! ...

I'm not looking for us to splash cash for the sake of it, I just believe the squad needs adding to and I just don't see it happening. Pardew's comments about the money annoy me because it gives the board an excuse NOT to spend in January.

 

But people are missing the point. Joker tried to say that Pardew had lied. And Chappaz is clearly stating that we have spent money. If you sell and house, and buy a new house for the same price. Is that not buying a house? Yes it is. Just because the money came from another house it does not mean you haven't spent any money. You have acquired money..and spent it. You have spent money. Once again, you have spent money. For the third time again, you have spent money.

Pardew is right. Joker is wrong.

 

You have totally missed the point.

I never said that Pardew had lied - I hate the insinuation that our current position is because the board have spent a lot of money. They haven't and I really can't make it any plainer than that. Pardew's comments are 'lip service' and an excuse for the board to refuse to invest further in the January window.

I am not disputing the money that has been spent, but I do dispute that it has moved us forward in numbers.

 

Sorry, but Best isn't a very good player, he's a trier who works quite hard. We definitely would look better with Sammy in the side, but should go with Ba and Ben Arfa at the moment.

 

Without labouring it too much, Pardew simply said money had been spent, which is true, he never said the squad is bigger, which it's not. I'm not too blown away by our start per se, but the performances against Villa and Blackburn point to a style of play and depth of quality that has been lacking for well over 4 seasons. My point on Santon is that at least he was a replacement that showed ambition.

In regards to Pardew mentioning it, I think perhaps he's trying to pass a little bit of the current - and deserved - feel good factor in the direction of out much maligned owner, particularly when we've heard Llambias talking about showing some love to Mike and he might spend money. I happen to think this isn't necessarily true - the be nice to Mike and he'll buy some players line, but I don't think the resentment towards Ashley will prompt him to spend money. So perhaps with this being said Pardew was trying to dispel some of the ill feeling.

Considering how royally shafted he was during the transfer window, I doubt he'd be involved in a plan which means no more money will be spent come January. Chances are he was trying to talk up the team and the club, and keep the good feeling going, which is to be expected from a teams manager. It may be lip service to a degree but almost every player and/or manager interview is to a large extent.

 

This. Great post!

 

why can't people just be happy with the start and not drag **** up that's been done to death over the summer

 

But if you traded in a car for £30,000, and bought another car for £30,000, you haven't spent anything on cars