David Moyes or MON would both be excellent replacements but what makes you think that either would want to come to us?
One of my pet hates, people who feel the need, on a sports forum, to pick out spelling mistakes. When I was at school, to the best of my knowlege, the. teachers could spell but I never got to grips with it. I then spent many years feeling emarrased, ashamed and a bit of a dunce because of it, probably a few there to pick out. I ended up with every single document, memeo, letter and speach spelt perfectly by a nice lady called Kath. Kath was my PA for years, made my coffee, booked my hotels, kept me right and earned a fraction of what I earned. Her spelling was perfect but my management skills brought in the cash that paid her wages. I learnt that spelling is good but there are far more important things in life.
We dont know if they would come mate but the thought that there isnt any other credible alternative apart from our mag loving manager, depresses me greatly tbh. I have to believe that there is a better alterantive otherwise we are stuck with the hapless tactician that is Steve Bruce for the near future and thats a fate worse than having a dose of the clap.
I hear what you are saying but i would guess that Bruce is here till at least January unless he has a disasterous run of defeats (hope not) However, looking around i can't see who we would attract to replace him, there's just no one who jumps out. Moyes would never come to us although i wish we could get him, what can we offer that Everton don't? Would Short be prepared to pump more millions into a new manager?
Dilemma, lads, dilemma, o.k.? Sh*t, let's start with 'maldiem' and work forwards eh? Cest, I think you're being a bit harsh with Bruce over the Mags game. I could well imagine Bob Stokoe popped up there to see his old pals a time or two. After all, his ties with Newcastle were a lot stronger than Bruce's - Cup Winners medal with them in '55, etc. Everyone know my feelings about Bruce, but well, the fella's entitled to a day off now and again to go and enjoy himself. I can't see any harm in that. I agree with what else you've said mind.
Cutey - its not him having a day off or relaxing or doing whatever he wants - other than going to a mag game as a self confessed mag supporter who is the manager of SUNDERLAND!!!! Maybe its just me, obviously no-one else is bothered but that scenario is just wrong on every level imo. If he were a sunderland supporter and sunderland manager and chose to go to the mag game its totally different. Can no -one else see how bad this looks, especially when we perform so poorly in derby games. My gut instinct is to say he just cant bring himself to get the team set up right for a derby's he has no desire to see us beat them. Going to watch his boyhood team on his day off just reinforces my feeling that he puts the mags well before us and thats unacceptable. Totally.
I have to say I don't understand him going to watch the Mags instead of one of our next opponents! I still don't agree about him deliberately losing the derbies mind Cest. But watching our local rivals instead of doing homework on future opponents stinks! PS. nice to see some reasoned arguments without abuse. Well till the gramma police turned up.
I'm not saying he instructed the team to lose but he is obviously doing something to effect the results and performances imo. We played well up to the Halloween horror show and well again after it, which tells me something happened other than just one of those things. Pardew has managed to win and draw his first 2 derby games and has had anything but the settled time to mould his charges. Bruce is a mag at heart and something is blocking him from making rational reasoned decisions. Whether thats intentional (as I believe) or subconsciously, the end result is the same. We have performed woefully in 3 successive derby matches under SB. I see nothing to suggest it wont be yet another horror show in March either and thats unacceptable for me. If we cant even compete in derby games, I'd sack the manager for that alone. Openly showing his true colours by going along to support his boyhood club on the back of that and I'd personally run the twat out of town to go with it. A cheating, back stabbing, useless fat geordie bastard is what he is. Apart form that I like him. Lol
Cest, you gotta stop sitting on the fence mate you'll get spelcks. lol It's either that or you'll give yourself an ulcer, let it out mate. We are here for you, just feel free to share..............
I think the reason we fail in the Derby's is quite simple. Pressure. Our record against them is crap going back years. In times gone by Newcastle were far far better unit than us. The poor run started, however in the intervening years we have become stronger than them. We are now expected to win (pressure). This coupled to the fact our record is so bad adds yet more pressure. Add to that a Geordie manager who I'm sure will be ramming the importance of the match down the players throats for weeks in advance adds yet more pressure. So for me if Bruce is a liability on Derby days it is because he wants to win one so bad it transfers to the team, sprinkle in a group of very nervous fans and hey-presto. We play ****.
I think you will find that Reid's record and Keane's is pretty good actually and Mick McCarthy's lads although well out gunned by a big spending mag team at the time, gave as good as they got. They at least gave it their best shot. Reid had 2 successive 2-1 wimns at their place and Keane delivered a 1st home win for 3 decades. Bruce doest want to win the games imo. He is doing something to effect the outcome whether subconsciously or not (I think or not and he purposely effects it against us) and that will continue so long as the bastard manages to con Quinny and Short he is the man for the job. I trust Quinny or at least Ellis will see through the fat ****er sooner rather than later and we can bring in a non-geordie loving manager that can truly take us on a notch or two. If I were Short, I wouldnt give this man another penny and just let him hang himself out to dry. When I look at Bruce I just see a fat geordie taking the piss out of us and nothing more. Yes the derby results have effected my judgement but I make no apologies for that, as winning them is part and parcel of the job description for me. If he cant deliver that, then lets get shot of him and get a Reid or Keane type of manager who can. I bet David Moyes could have orchestrated 3 straight wins over our nearest and dearest in the last 2 years, given the same set of circumstances as fatso has been given. Bruce was a strong player but he isn't a born winner as a manager. He is a man afraid of winning imo. The David Moyes of this world are born winners as a manager and thats what we need. We dont need mag sympathising wimps for a manager thats for sure.
We have won one out of fourteen stretching back to 2000. Seems our crap record against the Mags goes back long before Mr Bruce came along.
A few points, first off sorry for the spelling and grammar I am dyslexic so I have a few problems on that front. To me as long as people know what you mean does it really matter. I thought the OP made some good points and defo post more. As for towing the party line I guess it comes down to perception. I always think to tow the party line you have got to want Bruce out and Richardson no where near the starting 11. I am not particularly a BIB. I just want stability for a few years to see what that could bring. I always feel some people will never accept Bruce because of his links with Newcastle.
Cest I think your away with the fairies to be honest mate. There's no way a manager will fix a game due to his boyhood team. Your just making yourself look stupid
BJ, I think Cest has some valid points. He's just at the stage where he wants bruce gone and someone competent in charge. It may turn out that by season end we should all have paid heed to Cests warning, I hope not. But Bruce needs to get some tactical help as this is a very weak area and it certainly affects our performances.
But to say that bruce fixes games is just plain stupid and crazy. Would he risk his management career just so his boyhood team can win? I think he would love to beat Newcastle. And I think he went to that game because it's local, to see newcastles weaknesses and blackburns, and to watch a game of football.
