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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by lifecheshirewhite, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. brisbane-lion

    brisbane-lion Well-Known Member

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    And he can spell 'genius', too. <laugh><laugh>
     
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    brisbane-lion Well-Known Member

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    Mr Trump has accused the WHO of 'failing in their basic duty' to deal with the C-19 virus pandemic. Well, Mr Pot, you tell that kettle how black he is. Now he threatens to withhold funding. Yet another THREAT from the POTUS.
     
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  3. Eric Le Merde

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    In the world of billion and trillion dollar budgets to address the economic impacts of C-19 the $58 million the US funds the WHO is significant?

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    I suppose it is if you are having a hissy fit.

    US Contributes 20% of the WHO annual budget, but less than the EU. The US dollar contribution is about 5 times more than Australia but it has 15 times as many people. So it looks as though they get quite a good deal. They still owe most of 2019's payments due Jan 2019 and those for 2020 due Jan 2020, perhaps it would be good if they could actually pay what they owe before threatening not to pay any more?
     
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  4. brisbane-lion

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    Figures, numbers and statistics........oh, **** it, I can't be bothered.
     
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  5. ristac

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    The New York governor Andrew Cuomo comes over on his press conference very well.

    I think Trump would have got in again if it were not for covid19 I think his handling of it will finish him off as your leader
     
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    Was thinking that too. Begs the question, given the authority each state governor has to follow their own policies, what is the other idiot needed for at all
     
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    I don't think it will really make a difference. Trump has a following that really doesn't care how many lies he tells or contradictions he makes. He can say the most outrageously untrue things and Trump supporters will never hold him to account. I actually think this is slowly happening everywhere as we become more polarised to right/left wing and there's no room for nuanced debate anymore. I could only see him losing to a candidate that could inspire more apolitical people to go out and vote the way that Obama did and I'm not sure Biden can do that.

    Lots of hospital trusts will just be catching up with the reporting from the bank holiday weekend now so I imagine that today could well be the peak in terms of deaths. Hospital admissions look to have levelled out so hopefully we'll start seeing small drops in the death rate in the coming weeks.
     
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    it’s the era of the twitterati. Say what you want, your followers will blindly agree and retweet. No need to worry about facts or the truth. Most of us suffer from confirmation bias and seek out and support anything that agrees with our existing beliefs anyway. The internet/social media has exacerbated this as the volume of content and influencers grows without requirement for fact.

    We elected mini trump here. A guy who campaigned for brexit without really believing in it, with a history of making sh*t up. The days when being caught out for lying (key words ‘caught out’ they all do it) would end your political career are long gone either side of the Atlantic.
     
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    Or in the antipodes
     
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    Trump claimed they pay 400 million dollars while China pay 40 million dollars, he has a point about the WHO telling the world to keep flying to China, they ****ed the whole world over on that one.
     
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    In 2016 WHO spent $71M on Aids, $61M on Malaria, and $200M on travel expenses!!!!

    WHO director general Margaret Chan whilst on a trip to Guinea to laud laud health workers for their efforts against Ebola stayed in the $1000 per night Palm Camayenne hotel, her total travel spend for that trip was $370,000.

    WHO have also spent $15M on a study to find if playing video games is a disease or a symptom.
     
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    I agree with Trump when he compares the US to China, it's when he compare the US to individual countries in Europe, for instance, that I take him to task. He seems to forget the size of the US, it being most of a continent. If he had to compare contributions to the WHO, UN, NATO etc., by continent or per capita/country, he might see a different picture. However, as with most moguls, I think he only looks at the bottom line of outgoings & blindly wants to cut costs.
     
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    To be fair, if you bought £100K worth of shares in a business worth £500k and found that 50% of your investment was going on expenses, after seeing no worthwhile results, you wouldn't be investing again!
     
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    Fair point & fully agree.

    My issue is that on various different contribution 'outrages', Trump usually compares the US to individual countries. I will also say that in many of these instances, he does have a point, but in choosing such a lop-sided comparison, he loses the potential full force of his argument. Now if he had presented a per capita comparison, for instance, he might really put his opposition on the spot. Or discover that he was talking mince, of course. Which he never would, would he? :)
     
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    talking mince? no, not The Donald <laugh>
    Can't say I particularly like the bloke, but pre coronavirous, the American economy was doing better than ever, so like him or not, his methods seemed to be working!!
     
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    Radio 2 today Jeremy Vine. A lady called in who has Ovarian Cancer, it will eventually kill her there is no cure. The lady explained how she’d sat down with a cancer support team to discuss a course of treatment that would extend her life whilst keeping a decent quality of life.

    When COVID broke she was informed her treatment would be stopped, her life can’t be saved and resources need to be focussed on Coronavirus. The Nurse answering the questions apologised and said very difficult decisions had to be made and unfortunately this caller was one of the victims.

    I’ve just watched the news, a 106 year old was being wheeled out of hospital having beaten the virus. What makes saving a 106 year old more important than adding a few years to someone who is already devastated about knowing their life will be cut short?
     
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    There should be resources in place to treat both
     
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    In an ideal world yes but as we’ve seen world wide, nobody apart from Germany has the resources for both. There were lots of callers, blokes who have had prostrate treatment on hold, chemotherapy treatment on hold, I accept everyone will have a different opinion and it’s hard but a 106 year old ahead of these people?

    I guess you could argue at what age should they not be put first, if this was 20 years ago the 106 year old would have been 86 so she gained 20 years. I can’t help feeling it’s wrong telling a cancer patient you’re going to die so the over 80’s 90’s are more important than giving you an extra year or two
     
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