Off Topic Corona virus - non football

safc-noggieland · Apr 12, 2020

safc-noggieland said: ↑

Can you imagine headlines, not to mentions verbal histrionics on tv news outlets if this happened under a Labour government not to say the screams if it was led by that compassionate J. Corbyn esq.
But we are led by a proven liar snd a blowhard and hardly a squeek from the 4th estate.
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Queue all the IRA crap.

Jerry lee · Apr 12, 2020

safc-noggieland said: ↑

Can you imagine headlines, not to mentions verbal histrionics on tv news outlets if this happened under a Labour government not to say the screams if it was led by that compassionate J. Corbyn esq.
But we are led by a proven liar snd a blowhard and hardly a squeek from the 4th estate.
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Cause the right wing press & main stream news outlets wanted buffoon in that's why

Nee way Corbyn was getting in

DH4 · Apr 12, 2020

safc-noggieland said: ↑

Can you imagine headlines, not to mentions verbal histrionics on tv news outlets if this happened under a Labour government not to say the screams if it was led by that compassionate J. Corbyn esq.
But we are led by a proven liar snd a blowhard and hardly a squeek from the 4th estate.
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I can see the posts on Faecesbook now: "Terrorist Corbyn in cahoots with Chinese authorities to murder Brits"

Jerry lee · Apr 12, 2020

DH4 said: ↑

I can see the posts on Faecesbook now: "Terrorist Corbyn in cahoots with Chinese authorities to murder Brits"
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The daily mail etc would've lynched him

rooch 3 · Apr 12, 2020

It must be a strange thing having the body of an adult but the brains of a child.

Sunderpitt · Apr 12, 2020

Jerry lee said: ↑

Cause the right wing press & main stream news outlets wanted buffoon in that's why

Nee way Corbyn was getting in
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A am a Labour man, but Corbyn's back story was always insurmountable.
However the point is well made, if a labour govt screwed up preparing for an epidemic and then delayed taking decisive action, they would have been slaughtered!

safc-noggieland · Apr 12, 2020

rooch 3 said: ↑

It must be a strange thing having the body of an adult but the brains of a child.
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I refer you to a reasoned reply from Sunderpit.
Question my stance thats your priveledge indeed your right.
However the personal insult shows where the childish brain is.

DH4 · Apr 12, 2020

rooch 3 said: ↑

It must be a strange thing having the body of an adult but the brains of a child.
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Never proved an obstacle to Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson

Deletion Requested1 · Apr 12, 2020

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Never proved an obstacle to Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson
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Don't worry a good read of Tintin will help

safc-noggieland · Apr 12, 2020

Unlucky Alf said: ↑

Don't worry a good read of Tintin will help
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Did he read it or was it read to him at bedtime.

Flash Gordon · Apr 12, 2020

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UK government stockpiles containing protective equipment for healthcare workers in the event of a pandemic fell in value by almost 40% over the past six years, the Guardian has found.

Analysis of official financial data suggests £325m was wiped off the value of the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) emergency stockpile, reducing it from £831m in 2013 under the Conservative-led coalition government to £506m by March last year.

The finding is likely to raise further questions for the health secretary, Matt Hancock, who faced criticism over the weekend after urging healthcare workers not to “overuse” personal protective equipment (PPE).

The revelation raises questions about why the value depreciated so quickly and how the fall related to stock-levels.

According to official figures at least 19 UK healthcare workers had died after contracting coronavirus. Frontline medical staff have complained of PPE shortages, which they say are putting lives at risk.

Last week, it emerged that three nurses who had been wearing bin bags due to a lack of PPE had tested positive for coronavirus. It was also confirmed that a consultant at a hospital in east London died from the virus weeks after making a plea to the prime minister for more PPE for NHS staff.

Hospitals have turned to schools for donations of science goggles amid shortages of eye protection, while some NHS staff have made improvised masks out of snorkels and bought kit from hardware stores.

The widespread shortages of equipment, which Hancock has blamed on problems with the distribution system, has raised questions about the UK’s levels of preparedness for a pandemic of this kind.

Accounts suggest funding for “stockpiled goods” that are “held for use in national emergencies” was increased between 2008 and 2011, when pandemic preparedness was identified as a national priority for the NHS. But since 2013 the value of the stockpile has fallen.

The findings are likely to renew questions about whether government stockpiles held sufficient quantities of personal protective equipment (PPE) before the Covid-19 pandemic and whether emergency preparations were affected by almost a decade of cuts and reduced public investment.

On Sunday, it was revealed that one in three UK surgeons say they do not have access to enough masks, gowns and other clothing to keep them safe.

Contacted by the Guardian, DHSC declined to provide a breakdown of its emergency stockpile’s contents, which will also include medicines such as antivirals and flu vaccines. However, NHS plans drawn up in 2017 state that “the bulk of” the pandemic stockpiles available to the health service consisted of PPE, including FFP3 respirator masks, gloves and aprons.

The stockpiled goods have shelf lives and so require frequent replenishment. According to the DHSC’s financial accounts, between 2011 and 2019 depletions of the emergency stockpile significantly outstripped the amount spent on adding new supplies to the reserves.

A spokesman for DHSC said the value of the emergency stockpile “does not relate to the volume of its contents”, adding that “through responsible procurement” officials had been “successful in maintaining its stock”.

The department refused to answer the Guardian’s questions about the volume of the stockpile in 2019 compared with 2011.

The spokesman said the UK was “one of the most prepared countries in the world for pandemics” and the government “continues to work around the clock to give the NHS and the wider social care sector the equipment and support they need”.

The reduction in the stockpile’s value occurred at a time the government considered that a pandemic represented the most serious emergency threat likely to face the UK. The government has in recent years been concerned about the rapid worldwide spread of a novel virus to which people have no immunity.

Since 2007, a series of studies and exercises to prepare the UK for an event of this kind identified the availability of PPE for health and social care workers as a cornerstone to a national response, essential to reducing transmission of a new virus.

Dr Lindsey Davies, a former national director of pandemic influenza preparedness, told the Guardian that PPE shortages were modelled as far back as 2007, during a large cross-government pandemic simulation codenamed Exercise Winter Willow. “It was a live issue at the time,” she said.

Davies explained that following the 2007 exercise “there was an increased momentum after that to develop a business case for stockpiling, and a lot of discussion about the right amounts and how far it was right to have a nationally funded stockpile”.

In the wake of the Winter Willow exercise, and with the emergence of the swine flu pandemic two years later, the Department of Health, as it was then known, embarked on a procurement programme aimed at boosting stockpiles of medicines and PPE, according to departmental accounts and performance reports. By the end of the 2010-11 financial year, the value of the department’s stockpile stood at £830m, an 80% increase from 2008-09.

In 2016, after years of delays, the government staged another nationwide pandemic drill, codenamed Exercise Cygnus. The exercise, which simulated a deadly outbreak of so-called “swan flu”, is believed to have shown that in the event of a deadly pandemic the NHS would be overwhelmed by a shortage of critical care beds and vital equipment.

The government is refusing to release the official conclusions from Exercise Cygnus, which have never been made public, but there are indications in reports by local authorities who participated in the exercise that PPE supplies were an area of concern.

It is not clear whether at a national level the conclusions included recommendations about emergency stockpile funding. But DHSC accounts show that in the three years after the 2016 drill, the value of the stockpile fell by more than £200m.

Sir Ian Boyd, the chief scientific adviser to Defra between 2012 and 2019 , told the Guardian it was difficult to get ministers to spend money on preparing for high-impact, low-frequency events like pandemics. “Governments over the years have buried their heads, and it is harder to have those conversations with people who have a small-government view of the world,” he said.

This year, as the government began to consider the threat posed by the novel coronavirus outbreak in China to the UK, PPE soon found its way on to the agenda of meetings between officials and high-level scientific and clinical advisers.

Minutes of meetings suggest that as early as January the government was involved in discussions with advisers about when emergency PPE stockpiles would need to be released.

During a meeting on 28 January of the government’s new and emerging respiratory virus threats group (Nervtag), attended by senior officials including England’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, it was noted that if sustained community transmission of the novel virus in the UK was established, the numbers of infected patients in hospitals would rise. “This would entail deployment and use of the UK’s pandemic influenza PPE stockpiles,” a minute of the meeting states.

According to minutes from early February, Nervtag went on to make a series of recommendations to the government’s emergency committee Cobra about what PPE would be required for different settings and different groups of workers. A month later, in early March, advisers discussed a potential scenario where stocks of respirator masks ran out.
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Not surprising that we didn't see the importance of PPE really when the prime minister was shaking people's hands who had the virus less than a month ago.

rooch 3 · Apr 12, 2020

safc-noggieland said: ↑

I refer you to a reasoned reply from Sunderpit.
Question my stance thats your priveledge indeed your right.
However the personal insult shows where the childish brain is.
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It wasn't aimed at you mate but if you obviously thought it was who am i to argue, strange that!

safc-noggieland · Apr 12, 2020

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Not surprising that we didn't see the importance of PPE really when the prime minister was shaking people's hands who had the virus less than a month ago.
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Wonder how many innocent souls he managed to infect before he eventually went into quarantine, because of his incautious behavior (not to say stupidity /not to say arrogant/ behavior).

safc-noggieland · Apr 12, 2020

rooch 3 said: ↑

It wasn't aimed at you mate but if you obviously thought it was who am i to argue, strange that!
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You unadressed comment followed directly on the heels of a number of post stemming from my original contribution. I thus assumed this unadressed comment was part of the conversation - if it was not I then, of course offer my apologies.
Sorry Rooch

rooch 3 · Apr 12, 2020

safc-noggieland said: ↑

You unadressed comment followed directly on the heels of a number of post stemming from my original contribution. I thus assumed this unadressed comment was part of the conversation - if it was not I then, of course offer my apologies.
Sorry Rooch
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No problem mate

Conspiracy Theorist · Apr 13, 2020

Conjecture about the length of the lock down on the news today, either it's 3 or 6 weeks duration -tbh I'm hoping for 6- as it provides me with more a chance of eventually getting a good nights sleep and a bit of a lie in ...

Jerry lee · Apr 13, 2020

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tial-workers-resume-jobs-coronavirus-ban.html

Reckon ours be end of the month

& Spain have a worse death total than us

Flash Gordon · Apr 13, 2020

Conspiracy Theorist said: ↑

Conjecture about the length of the lock down on the news today, either it's 3 or 6 weeks duration -tbh I'm hoping for 6- as it provides me with more a chance of eventually getting a good nights sleep and a bit of a lie in ...
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I'd be hoping for 6 weeks too. Spain seem to be opening up again far too quickly. They're a week removed from their peak but they're still seeing 600+ people a day being infected even during lockdown. They could spike again by the end of the month in my opinion. As for the UK, there's no evidence to say we've seen our peak yet.

Zig81 · Apr 13, 2020

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I'd be hoping for 6 weeks too. Spain seem to be opening up again far too quickly. They're a week removed from their peak but they're still seeing 600+ people a day being infected even during lockdown. They could spike again by the end of the month in my opinion. As for the UK, there's no evidence to say we've seen our peak yet.
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Bang on, we need to be sure we’ve peaked and when we’ve peaked let us see for the next 2 weeks or so the further numbers.

If we lift restrictions too early we will clearly go back to day 1 week 1.

Smug in Boots · Apr 13, 2020

Zig81 said: ↑

Bang on, we need to be sure we’ve peaked and when we’ve peaked let us see for the next 2 weeks or so the further numbers.

If we lift restrictions too early we will clearly go back to day 1 week 1.
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The lockdown is hard but going back to square one would be sickening.

Let's see it out as long as we need to ...

... as that great philosopher, Maria Mena, once said,

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