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Off Topic Corona virus - non football

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by SAFCDRUM, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. Jerry lee

    Jerry lee Well-Known Member

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    Better health & testing system
     
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  2. clockstander

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    They also look past the cheapest option mantra, and consider longer term consequences of slash and burn policies favoured by the Thatcherite scumbags.
     
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  3. Flash Gordon

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    Very interesting mate. This bit in particular surprised me.

    "Because the UK figures only include deaths, in hospitals, from people who had already been tested positive for COVID-19.

    That sentence has a whole pile of clauses and commas, doesn't it? Let's break it down.
    It means that a person could die *in a UK hospital* of the coronavirus; and all their doctors could agree that yes, they definitely died of coronavirus; and their *death cert* says that yes, they did, in fact, die of coronavirus -

    ... and they wouldn't be includedin UK figures
    Because they weren't tested.

    And you have to have a positive test, before death, to be counted in the UK deaths.
    The UK isn't testing nearly as much as it needs to."

    I'm not sure how accurate it is, but if true, the death count is potentially far worse than we've seen.

    I've seen a lot of comments about how " we all need to stick together and now is not the time to criticise" but if our government is walking us off a cliff one by one then I would hope people speak out. This should be a job for our journalists mind. Asking why we're performing worse than several other countries is a valid question.
     
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  4. Conspiracy Theorist

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    TBH It's a easier read on the actual Twitter site. I would have edited it here for easier reading - but I'm making the Sunday roast today and my family want a early dinner a not an evening one lol
     
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  5. Flash Gordon

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    That's a great post. I'm hoping that after this people are able to see that the only way to fund the NHS properly is higher taxes and that they see the value in paying them.
     
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  6. Sunderpitt

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    It's not as if officals from WHO, or the UK experts were not warning of an inevitable virus of some sort for years.
    Yes you cannot prepare a vaccine or tests for a non-existent virus not yet in existence.
    However supplies of PPE, could have been stockpiled (it could not cost that much surely), ICU beds shortage happened every year, international comparison shows we are pared to the bone for ICU and bed space generally. Student nurses work shifts in hospitals about half of their training, the bursary was in part to recognise that, it was abolished..now we have a shortage of nurses. A similar shortage on doctors likewise as not enough training places.
    It would not have been costly to war game/practice a response to such an epidemic we did not. Trump is getting rightly slaughtered for waiting 70 days before lockdown were imposed. Bonko and crew waited 40/50? days and missed the opportunity to limit the spread of the virus.

    Arguing we are all in it together, so let's not say anything to rock the boat...is just not good enough. We still have brave NHS staff dying cos of lack of PPE and the home secretary could not bring herself to apologise for that yesterday. Or the health secretary suggesting the NHS staff were wasteful of PPE, is disgraceful.

    Am I personally pissed off at this balls up you bet I am, do I think politicians who have made this crisis worse should be held to account you bet I do.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    "However supplies of PPE, could have been stockpiled (it could not cost that much surely)"


    It's certainly costing us now, perhaps 100 times more.
     
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    The paper goes on to say that, as well as Sudoku puzzles and films, the prime minister's recovery has been aided by Tintin books sent to him by his family.

    Really f**king Tintin <laugh><doh>:huh::emoticon-0126-nerd:<yikes>


    Edit apparently that's quoted from an article in the Telegraph today
     
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  9. Conspiracy Theorist

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    There's still hundred of flights in and out of this country daily -just looked at Heathrow this morning on a quiet Easter Sunday...


    https://www.heathrow.com/arrivals

    There's not one medic controlling arrivals or quarantining possible virus carriers with high temperature / fever checks - these people will then get on public transport and seed more woes, it's madness, shut the bloody borders for a period to stop the spreading like many of our European neighbours have done.
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

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    I'm shocked tbh, I had no idea.
     
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    If you go to www.flightradar24.com it gives you a real time view of what's in the air around the world - have a look you will get a shock
     
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  12. Conspiracy Theorist

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    you spread more disinformation than the Chinese officially party, must be a Guardian rag reader
     
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  14. Makemstine Roger

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    please stop trying to score political points, Germany does not have a NHS service its all private funding
     
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  15. Jerry lee

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    We nearly didn't have a NHS thanks to Boris & his party thanks to underfunding due to their austerity measures had we nit under funeed the NHS we wouldn't be in the mess were in now
     
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    you spread more disinformation than the Trump, you must be a Daily Wail reader.

    The German Health service is funded by mandatory insurance payments made by employees and matched by their employers in much the same way as UK National Insurance . These payments account for about 75% of funding and the rest is made up of private funding, ie just as some people have private medical insurance in the UK.
     
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  17. Conspiracy Theorist

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    If this is clip true then it's another ****ing scandal beyond all!



    It wouldn't surprise if it is the reality, because I know people locally over the last 2/3 weeks that have been roped into giving mortgage and financial advice in our Sunderland call centres, people who were with only 2 hours training, people that are working in Job Agencies on minimum wage -non contract work, how the **** can they give proper/ viable financial advice to people that are worried about this pandemic. This country deserves better.
     
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  18. Sunderpitt

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    Nope true..read about it in your Daily Heil, a ctte recommendation was to stockpile PPE, turned down on cost grounds...
     
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  19. Sandy Camel

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    Seems reasonable. Not like it's the fault of humans for increasingly encroaching on wild life habitat and using ****ty farming methods to breed animals for consumption.
     
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  20. Conspiracy Theorist

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    Last point I'm making today: Rees Mogg says today Parliament is not going to be recalled - April 21st is the day that MP's go back to work - a week and half away, this during these unprecedented times it is utter madness - it's show that this Government is avoiding all accountability or scrutiny, and it will be a further indictment of their abject failure of handling this crisis.
     
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