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The Official Not606 Singapore GP Predictions & Chat

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by El_Bando, Sep 13, 2011.

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Who has the 'Balls' in singapore

Poll closed Sep 24, 2011.
  1. Sebastian Vettel 284Pts

    42.4%
  2. Fernando Alonso 172Pts

    15.2%
  3. Jenson Button 167Pts

    6.1%
  4. Mark Webber 167Pts

    6.1%
  5. Lewis Hamilton 158Pts

    24.2%
  6. Fellipe Massa 82Pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Nico Rosberg 56Pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Michael Scumacher 52Pts

    3.0%
  9. Vitaly Petrov 34Pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Kamui Kobayashi 27Pts

    3.0%
  11. Adrian Sutil 24Pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. DJ Jaime God Suavé 16Pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Sebastian Buemi 13Pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Paul Di Resta 12Pts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Other (Please Specify)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Unlucky to have got a penalty though.

    I don;t see why an innocent mistake shoudl get punished like that. Is the world so ****ing crap that we have to equal everything out now? What happened to chance/luck/fate etc?

    Schuey should get a penalty if Hamiton did. Just because it didn't seemingly damage Perez's car does that make it okay? Of course not.

    If one driver gets a penlaty for running into the back of a car, then the next driver to do should also get a penalty.

    Or is it getting to the state that there are too many penalties being dished out? What happened to racing!?
     
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  2. Darth Vader's personal tailor

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    Obviously. Just wonder whether he'll get a grid penalty next race.
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Think so. If the stewards 'investigate' the incident after the race I think they can do a penalty for the next race.

    Common senses says there should be no penalty, consistentcy of applying the rules says there should be.
     
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  4. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    Your talking out of your hat chris. Lewis made a rash move and ended up ruining a competitors race. The Schumacher incident was much more 50/50 in the blame stakes and resulted in no damagr to the competitor's car and race but resulted in the end of Schumachers race.

    The two are not comparable and a penalty for Schumacher cannot be justified, Hamilton's penalty was clearly justified <ok>
     
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  5. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    By precedent I mean has a similar incident resulted in a similar next race penalty. If I remember correctly Hamilton has been investigated numerous times post race for similar incidents but has cone away penalty free
     
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  6. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    No need for the insults.

    He tried to overtake around the outside, which he then backed out of then tried to tuck in behind Massa!? How is that a rash move!?

    Rather than try and stick it around the outside he played safe, but Massa was slower on the apex as he took a tighter line than usual which would appear to have caught Hamilton off guard, or Hamilton simply misjudged cutting back in behind Massa.


    50/50!? Even Manny would be hard to defend Shcuey running clean into the back of a competitor! How could that have been Perez fault?
     
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  7. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    So why can a precedent not be set now? If there were never any incidents in teh history of the world there could never be a precedent for future ones!

    The precedent is that one driver ran into the back of another and got a penalty. Therefore the next driver to run into the back of a car should also get a penalty.

    Personally I hate all these penalties. They ruin the races, make drivers think twice about overtaking as if they make a slight msjudgement they will get penalised.

    Its making the racing too sterile.
     
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  8. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Name them.

    He has been penalised many times post race, but he has finsihed the races so it makes the application of a penalty easier.
     
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  9. Darth Vader's personal tailor

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    Haha, Lotus almost wiping out Vettel in the pit lane. Now that would have been funny!
     
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  10. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    Vettel is going to get a "Grand Chelem" Shows how boring this race is.
     
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  11. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Someone explain to me how/when Kobayashi ended up a lap down on Buemi..?
     
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  12. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    And what gives you the opinion that a drive through and a 5 place grid penalty are equal penalties in their severity
     
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  13. TheModestMatt

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    Heres where we will find out what Seb is made of, Button is flying and catching him by 2 seconds a lap.
     
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  14. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    If a penalty can't be given in the race it usually carries over to a grid penalty in the next race.

    Just because Shcuey is out of the race, is that considered punishment enough for him? What if he had taken Perez out as well?

    No penalty then?

    They need to look at what actually justifies a penalty now as they seem to get handed out too easily. IMO Hmailton did not deserve a penalty today as it was not a reckless or deliberate move. Penalties should be wher someone has been reckless or it is clear it was deliberate.
     
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  15. Drudeboy

    Drudeboy Well-Known Member

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    not any more he's not...
     
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  16. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    Damn Williams battle. Robbed us of a grandstand finish
     
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  17. Chris.

    Chris. #bringbackchris

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    He's going to have to wait a bit longer then...
     
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  18. Masanari

    Masanari Active Member

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    Oooh Button 1.7 seconds behind Vettel at the end.
     
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  19. genjigonzales

    genjigonzales Active Member

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    Nice charge from Button. Pity McLaren didn't release him a few laps earlier. Not the most scintillating race but not the worst.
     
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  20. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    If - how can you hand out a penalty on the basis of ifs? Hamilton ruined soneones race and was able to continue, he deserves a penalty. Schumacher ruined only his own race.

    That is what justifies penalties. What the driver has done, not what if the driver had done.
     
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