Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough

[afcftw]

You disagree with their numbers?

I disagree with their numbers. I can’t see how they’ve come up with 500m being a 30% reduction. That’d mean about 1.7b as total wage bill for the period of the reduction. The total prem wage bill is about 2.9b a year. Championship wage bill 800m. Combined 3.7b. Presumably far lower as it goes down through the leagues. 1.7b is about 45% of total wages over an entire year. So for it to be 500m they need to take that reduction for almost 6 months. Which isn’t being suggested.

So as far as I can see their figures are absolute bollocks.i could of course have missed something.

 

[afcftw]

At LFC the non-playing staff are all receiving 100% pay anyway.

Yeah with 80% covered by the tax payer.

 

[THE FOOL]

I do feel the vitriol directed towards footballers is slightly misguided. What it comes down to is that a massive amount of the population are 1 paycheck away from being in the ****.

Why the boss of a company can earn millions while Kevin who stacks the shelves earns hundreds is the issue. When it all goes tits up the boss wanders away on his private yacht while Kevin loses his house.

This isnt just about footballers and focusing on them just let's the rest of the **** up off the hook.

 

[THE FOOL]

**** off you apologist beaut

This shouldn't be a club v club issue, fan v fan. Which is what the media has tried to turn it into. 4 other clubs have furloughed staff but I dont remember spurs being on the BBC front page.

A concerted effort from all involved is the way forward, rather than ripping the back out of an easy target.

 

[afcftw]

This shouldn't be a club v club issue, fan v fan. Which is what the media has tried to turn it into. 4 other clubs have furloughed staff but I dont remember spurs being on the BBC front page.

A concerted effort from all involved is the way forward, rather than ripping the back out of an easy target.

To be fair I saw the spurs story in the media as well. All four of the prem clubs to have done it so far are arseholes. And the players at those clubs not being willing to take a small drop so that the non-players don’t have to take a pay cut and/or the government doesn’t have to pick up the bill are ****ish.

Dick move by the clubs and the players imo and it’ll be really disappointing if more clubs follow in the same footsteps.

 

[THE FOOL]

I disagree with their numbers. I can’t see how they’ve come up with 500m being a 30% reduction. That’d mean about 1.7b as total wage bill for the period of the reduction. The total prem wage bill is about 2.9b a year. Championship wage bill 800m. Combined 3.7b. Presumably far lower as it goes down through the leagues. 1.7b is about 45% of total wages over an entire year. So for it to be 500m they need to take that reduction for almost 6 months. Which isn’t being suggested.

So as far as I can see their figures are absolute bollocks.i could of course have missed something.

This is proper rudimentary maths, but 500,00,000 ÷460 (23 squad x 20 teams) = just over a million.

Divide that by 12 weeks = just over £90,000 a week so it might be rightish.

But like you I've probably missed something

 

[astro]

Yeah with 80% covered by the tax payer.

That's the scheme the Tories made.

 

[THE FOOL]

To be fair I saw the spurs story in the media as well. All four of the prem clubs to have done it so far are arseholes. And the players at those clubs not being willing to take a small drop so that the non-players don’t have to take a pay cut and/or the government doesn’t have to pick up the bill are ****ish.

Dick move by the clubs and the players imo and it’ll be really disappointing if more clubs follow in the same footsteps.

I'm not defending the players, but I'd have to ask could the clubs afford to pay them for a couple of months regardless, probably yes. As with many big businesses they could afford to take the hit but they dont want to and now dont have to.

And as we are constantly reminded nower days football is just another business.

 

[astro]

This shouldn't be a club v club issue, fan v fan. Which is what the media has tried to turn it into. 4 other clubs have furloughed staff but I dont remember spurs being on the BBC front page.

A concerted effort from all involved is the way forward, rather than ripping the back out of an easy target.

Classic deflection by the Tories.

Pay no attention to the CEOs of other businesses raking in more money and shifting it to tax havens.

The guy who called the PL a "moral vacuum" has spent his entire career fighting against fair pay and taxation.

 

[afcftw]

That's the scheme the Tories made.

To help stop people losing their jobs when the businesses are forced into a position where they have to lay people off. If the scheme wasn’t there the clubs wouldn’t be laying all those people off and if the players were willing to contribute a tiny bit of their wages the club could cover it (assuming they can’t already anyway). This isn’t what the scheme should be used for, the clubs and players together have options to avoid using it and making the tax payer fund it.

 

[THE FOOL]

Classic deflection by the Tories.

Pay no attention to the CEOs of other businesses raking in more money and shifting it to tax havens.

The guy who called the PL a "moral vacuum" has spent his entire career fighting against fair pay and taxation.

I agree, it was a classic diversion, oooh we are ****ing things up but look at them greedy bastards arnt they evil.

 

[THE FOOL]

To help stop people losing their jobs when the businesses are forced into a position where they have to lay people off. If the scheme wasn’t there the clubs wouldn’t be laying all those people off and if the players were willing to contribute a tiny bit of their wages the club could cover it (assuming they can’t already anyway). This isn’t what the scheme should be used for, the clubs and players together have options to avoid using it and making the tax payer fund it.

As with all these "schemes " they have set up there will be winners and losers. Some will take advantage and may be touted for it, while others will do the honourable thing and never have a word said about them.

Once this is all done and dusted, the bosses know we will all fall back in line regardless of their actions.

We all know primark clothes are made in sweat shops, but they are busy.

We all know Mike Ashleigh is a **** but sports direct is cheap.

We all know phillip green is a con man swindling bastard but his "wifes" Arcadia group is still happily chugging along.

 

[astro]

To help stop people losing their jobs when the businesses are forced into a position where they have to lay people off. If the scheme wasn’t there the clubs wouldn’t be laying all those people off and if the players were willing to contribute a tiny bit of their wages the club could cover it (assuming they can’t already anyway). This isn’t what the scheme should be used for, the clubs and players together have options to avoid using it and making the tax payer fund it.

Footballers are among the biggest contributers to the tax system, putting in hundreds of millions a year. Now all this whining over a few million pounds going back out to clubs.

How about we start with Amazon actually paying their tax in the first place if we're suddenly so concerned about the tax payer?

 

[afcftw]

Footballers are among the biggest contributers to the tax system, putting in hundreds of millions a year. Now all this whining over a few million pounds going back out to clubs.

How about we start with Amazon actually paying their tax in the first place if we're suddenly so concerned about the tax payer?

Amazon being ****s doesn’t stop the likes of Spurs and Liverpool being ****s.

 

[astro]

Amazon being ****s doesn’t stop the likes of Spurs and Liverpool being ****s.

Amazon have been massive ****s for years and the government did nothing. LFC and Spurs have been a bit of a **** for a few days/hours and the MPs are suddenly outraged.

 

[THE FOOL]

Amazon being ****s doesn’t stop the likes of Spurs and Liverpool being ****s.

I would like to say I agree with you here, i would much prefer it if my club stood up to be counted rather than follow the herd.

There will be more clubs that follow suit.

 

[Tobes]

At LFC the non-playing staff are all receiving 100% pay anyway.

Yeah and you’re scabbing 80% off the Govt, whilst continuing to pay wages of £100k+ a week to your first teamers.

 

[Tobes]

This shouldn't be a club v club issue, fan v fan. Which is what the media has tried to turn it into. 4 other clubs have furloughed staff but I dont remember spurs being on the BBC front page.

A concerted effort from all involved is the way forward, rather than ripping the back out of an easy target.

All 4 clubs who’ve done the same were rightly shamed. I never said it was a club vs club issue btw, my calling Astro an apologist has **** all to do with his allegiance.

 

[Tiresias]

I think this a massive PR own goal by LFC whether other clubs do it or not should not sway what LFC do.I thought our club had a grip on what was a decent way to behave but this is just not right.You can conjure up all sorts of excuses about players taking pay cuts and paying less tax but that's missing the point.It's the club /FSG who are responsible for the staff's wages so just FUC*ING pay them you've got the money ,I'm seriously disappointed with our club over this.

 

[Peej]

Why do people keep saying "pay cut". Pay cut means no tax, no NI, and the club owner keeps the money. Surely it's far better (and legally easier) for them to get paid and donate money instead?

Why can’t they just take a wage deferral during this time, allowing club to pay out £100,000 to 200,000 pcm for essential non match day staff.

No need for a 30% cut.

Using a ****ing Tory scheme to fund wages, how attached to the roots of club and city are FSG?

If Everton do this then I am done with them.