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Mourinho...how long will he be given?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Jan 1, 2020.

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How long will he be given?

  1. Til we go out of the CL?

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  2. Til the end of the season?

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  3. Til next Oct/Nov?

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  4. Will be a success so irrelevant?

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  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    It’s not because he’s Mourinho.

    It is because of what he’s done in the past and how things with him go. That’s just logical.

    Anyone could see from the get go he wasn’t the right man for the job.
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    The problem isn't him exactly, but what others have to d
    Especially when penalties were a distinct possibility and Gazzaniga is very good at saving them.
     
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  3. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    I think that there was a significant percentage (nowhere near the majority) who were sceptical and a few (one of my brothers, who has had a ST for decades, included) who weren't having him at any price. That's partly due to his Chelsea history and identity is extremely important at this point in time, as we're settling into a new stadium and all that brings.

    I'm in the sceptic camp. I didn't and don't think that he was the right appointment and it's got nothing to do with his past employers. It's to do with him, the way that he works, the football that he espouses and how that's dull, ill-suited to Tottenham and completely out of date. Loads of top jobs have come up since he left United. I'd be astounded if he was a serious candidate for a single one of them. apart from us.

    However, he won't stop me going and I won't be anything but positive in the stadium but away from there, I'm just waiting for him to go and if he went this week, I'd prefer it.

    I can take losing last night. It was completely avoidable, if we'd not dropped off and tried to hold a 1-0 lead, we would have won. However, telling journalists that he wouldn't ban Dier..?

    FFS, the bloke's going to get a HUGE ban. He deserves it too. A senior employee of the club saying different just makes it massively worse. In these situations, the club bans the player first, in an attempt to limit the disaster that is bound to follow. You don't antagonise the **** out of the authorities...it's the physio issue at Chelsea all over again. He's got no ****ing common sense at all.

    I'm not even going to bother ranting about him briefing journalists about what he's going to tell the board because my GP's advice over my blood pressure is ringing in my ears. Suffice to say, he's lost it and after we get round to sacking him, he's unemployable.
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

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    I think what Jenas said a few days is ago is wholly accurate: Steptonho is a bloke you bring in when your club keeps finishing second and you want to get over the line, which is exactly what he did at Chelsea, Los Ladrones and Inter - but the issue there is that means we should have brought him in 2-3 years ago, because that's when we were challenging for second in back-to-back seasons but never quite managed to top the table at any point

    And that's where the issue becomes obvious: in that period, namely 2017-18, he was at Man Utd and doing a very good job of demonstrating that while he's a manager who can take a team from second to first, he's not a manager who can take a team from fifth to first

    And that's the point: at Chelsea, Inter and Los Ladrones he had the basis of a title-winning squad provided that required a clearer vision and a few tweaks - at Spurs we don't have that, as title-winning squads tend to have things such as right backs and defensive midfielders, and instead he's in a position where he inherited a team in need of a clear vision and a radical overhaul, and while he hasn't have the opportunity for the latter as January's a pain in that regard he's certainly had time to implement a clear vision...and hasn't
     
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  5. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Gazza hasn't been great but there's no defending the Vorm selection mate. I agree that regardless of how long he's been out, a professional goalkeeper paid thousands a week should be able to catch a damn ball but he still shouldn't be starting over a better keeper. Gazza is league's above form and it's not like he needed a rest or anything.

    Jose isn't exempt from criticism from me and that definitely deserves it, it was a stupid selection and ultimately that cost us our place in the quarter finals of the FA Cup.

    I'm still fully behind supporting Jose and I want him to get his own team but he royally ****ed up last night with that decision and bit him - and us - hard too.
     
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  6. Spurlock

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    Yeah no doubt

    Gazza was the obvious choice

    Fk knows what’s going on
     
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  7. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Playing Vorm was moronic...end of.
    We called it before the game cos it was so obvious...just like with Pochettino playing Rose.
    I dont "have it in" for Jose...I just think he is as broken as our team.
    I paid good money to go with my daughter's last night and playing a third choice keeper who was released for not bring good enough, and only brought back cos of an injury to hugo was a bizarre piss take. This genius with a winning mentality plsyed s keeper who aint played in 18 months ...
    You claim we have it in for Jose yet we sang ourself horse last night and watched a stupid player selection cost us...I have no issue with the striker issue and Jose... that is sll Pochettino and Levy but Vorm was all his.

    And yes I am pissed off ... watching a multi millionaire manager make a monumentally stupid decision when we paid good money to pack out the ground show a **** load of disrespect to us as fans in my opinion.
     
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  8. Spurlock

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    Sorry mate but people do have it in for Jose...the way they deal with his bad decisions compared to let’s say Poch’s is different because of who they are...ultimately both are/were managers of Spurs.

    if you’re feeling disrespected by what you are getting compared to the ticket prices then you need to focus your angst in Levy’s direction but you won’t

    Poch made the stupidest decision ever in a Cup semi final and played Son at LB...you got over that without wanting the managers head on a platter

    Poch made another brainfart in the CL final and selected a half fit(if that)Kane and dropped a **** hot Moura...you got over that too and wanted to give Poch more time having had 5 years of him.

    So yeah I do think people are reaching conclusions due to who our manager is. In hindsight Gazza was the better option...but like I said yesterday, If Vorm doesn’t forget what hands are for then he isnt even being discussed after yesterday’s game.

    just the way I see it with...I could be wrong...very wrong
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

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  10. remembercolinlee

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    I have been mega critical on these boards of the pricing policy that Levy has employed so you are completely wrong.
    My issue isn't price of tickets v results ... it is that I paid to watch the best Spurs team to play and while I may disagree about a choice...Vorm was clearly a moronic choice!
    Kane in the CL final was a gamble that did not pay off...I was against that gamble but Vorm was not a gamble... it was taking our chance of a quarter final and flushing it down the bog.
    I repeat...at games I ALWAYS support the team and manager...I only voice my opinions to my mates and on here...and I always say I hope I am proved wrong...but **** decisions like last night to not dissuade me
     
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  11. Spurlock

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    ok mate I apologise

    please log in to view this image
     
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  12. KingHotspur

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  13. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I love debating with you mate...strongly held views and always respectful...you are a good role model for me .:bandit:
     
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  14. remembercolinlee

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    That would be a car crash of a decision imho.
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think this tweet really does hit the nail on the head, as I've said I'm not excusing Jose's decision yesterday to start Vorm, nor has he really done much to impress at the moment barring the first 4 or so games but this really is what he's dealing with:


    I think he means unfit Ndombele too, not unify lol.

    This is why I'd like him to have the chance to build his own team, if he can even get just a new defence for next season he'd be open to genuine criticism but as of right now, he really is working with a bunch of dross at the moment and as hard as it to watch for us fans, I find it difficult to solely blame him or say he should be sacked already.
     
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    I don't think that Alderweireld or Vertonghen are finished. Our system doesn't work, so everyone looks ****.
    How did Vertonghen look fine yesterday playing left-back?
    Stick him in a back five with fullbacks that can't attack and no midfield? Prime Maldini would look ****, too.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    Poch had a fully-committed Eriksen? I don't recall seeing that at any point in the last eighteen months
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think their consistency levels have massively deteriorated. Although you could be right that the surrounding personnel/ system doesn't help them and therefore contributes to said levels of consistency. Unfortunately I don't think Jan will have the chance to work alongside any new FBs or a midfield better equipped/ prepared next season.
     
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  19. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Eighteen months is probably a bit harsh as I don't think he was as bad as some made out in the second half of last season but yeah, in general, the latter part of Eriksen's career here was a real downer and didn't help anyone. Although for the most part, he was a phenomenal player for the club that Poch managed to really benefit from.
     
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