Because I’m not rude I’ll open the door and say hello I’ll even listen to them because I see someone just trying to earn themselves a wage Hey I’ll even look at the brochure with you and nod my head and mutter ‘sounds good, will think about it’ just so that you don’t feel belittled on a human level So, I’ll take the brochure and have a look then get in touch ok? ‘No!...you must sign up today for this offer to apply to you. It doesn’t mean you have to have it done but you have to sign up today’ Now I’m feeling oppressed...I showed your emotions respect...but you still test mine ‘Well...**** you, have a **** day’ SLAM(door)
Again though youre assuming an atheist or agnostic parent will teach their kids there is no god, that's probably more to with (and im guessing here) your parents teaching you their faith as you grew up. Of course its natural to assume an atheist would do the same (teach their kids there is no god) as it makes sense from your perspective of being taught a faith. But i dont think it goes both ways. Most athiest parents i know dont push that on their kids, whereas most religions parents i know do. Of course no one can be right or wrong as yaknow thats faith, you either have it or find it or dont. This has been an interesting chat regardless though.
It's always an interesting chat until the people who are at the extreme end get involved (not that their opinion isn't valid) all of a sudden it becomes "you're full of ****, you believe in imaginary beings" and other such opinions that kill the conversation.
You don’t need it pushed you just get on with life with God consciousness being absent from it. I’m yet to meet an Athiest who discusses the possibility of a God with their kids. They always angle towards the non existence of a God in their day to day life. The mere fact that it’s not discussed or present in day to day rituals means it won’t be present in the kids life during their learning years...that’s subconscious teaching Anyway fk off now...was a good chat as u say...I’ve retired from Religious talk in general tbh. At the end of the day I know some great people who don’t believe in God and I know some right bastards who do. It’s not God’s fault it’s the human themselves. The world is full of bro’s from different mo’s
Kinda disagree here. Firstly in the school curriculum, they do teach religion. Secondly i think theres a difference to saying there is a god, there is no god and just not saying anything about any gods. The first is indoctrination of there. being a god. There second is indoctrination of there is no god The third isnt indoctrination at all. Its just not talking about it. That to me isnt indoctrination and i imagine most families probably dont talk about it. Just as i imagine people dont talk about a load of things like politics or history etc.
I was raised by CofE parents. Religion was taught to me, I saw it like a fairy tale, more so probably due to my grandparents, no one has convinced me there is a god, no one has convinced me there isn't either. So what do I believe in...fate. What is fate, a cycle, who taught me fate, no one, it's what I decided in my own little world, that we are all part of a mechanism, the actions of everything living and non living affect the outcome of our own lives, matter and non matter, does that occur because of god, I do not know. Therefore I respect all religions, I can't judge, because I don't know the answers, just be respectful and try to follow the customs of the church, mosque, temple and many other religious places you enter. However, I do find preachers somewhat abhorrent - teach me your faith, don't preach me your faith.
Yeah they do but schools are not our parents Bob. Their teaching is basic and has no real impact because as we all know...listening to ones parents is not like listening to one of our teachers who most of us grow up thinking are dickheads anyway. Teachers had zero impact on who I am...they were useful for academic subjects. Parents are the influencers. and by not saying anything leans a lot more towards there is no God because as we all know, faiths come with rules and practices that become pivotal in our daily lives. If they are not present in ones life then the kid is not seeing it therefore they are not thinking about it...therefore by not saying anything suggests there is nothing to be said by not showing anything on a daily suggests there was nothing to show. Therefore saying nothing has had a massive impact aswell for that kid because I very much doubt having just finished 11 years of school that they now want to embark on a soul searching journey to see if God exists. At that age...it’s too late...the God consciousness exists for you to turn to on your dark days and for you to develop as you mature as a human being or it doesn’t exist due to your upbringing. In which case...you might just stumble upon it in life...or you might not. You might have a soul searching issue in life that wakes it up or you might not. Politics and history is not something that moulds your life like a faith does so for me no way is not talking about religion the same as not talking about Politics or history.
I dunno, the way some behave here politics is everything In all seriousness i will have to politely disagree. My mum pretty much raised me on the 10 commandments (be nice, dont steal, dont kill etc). Even though its not a belief in god, its pretty much following aspects of religion (as im sure the basis of our morals and laws were probably based on christian based religion). I will concede the point that without knowing religion from a young age you may be ignorant of it (bit like racism) but i would say an interested mind will eventually find its way to researching religion and potentially converting which is why you see so many people finding god when they are older. But yes i guess you might have a point to the sheep that is the love island watching teens (sorry westy) or eastenders watching biddies
Those ****s who call you up and ask if you have been in an accident. Blagging ****s and when I'm polite to them, they are just rude, ****s
The worst salesman are the religious ones on tv - the evangelist happy clappy you send me $100 and you will find salvation types. all ****ing ****s and shysters. there I have managed to merge the religion and sales discussions in to one post, so @brb do the honourable ting
It's good you do, but that's not the case in the grander scheme. Schools I've worked in that have a substantial muslim cohort, the kids pretty much all go to mosque every evening and learn about their beliefs there. It's almost as if the parents wash their hands of it and are quite happy to have a very prescriptive rather than spiritual learning experience about their faith.
Mosque is useful for learning the Arabic language for reading Quranic text. Every Other form of religious education surely starts at home and gains it’s strength from the home.
I can see why some people need religion in their lives, I can see how it helps people deal with difficulty in their lives and provides community etc etc But it’s just a load of taught nonsense dating back to a time when there was a lack of knowledge and understanding and a need to control people. And the idea that somehow being brought up atheist indoctrinates them away from religion shouldn’t matter if religion is in any way real because surely faith and the essence of religion is more powerful than being taught it doesn’t exist. If we can teach religion into non-existence then surely it doesn’t exist to start with? Everyone can live their lives how they like but I’m on board with Sucky here - don’t allow religious participation to children and don’t teach them what to think. By all means tell them what you believe but also teach them the alternatives and let them make there own informed decision as adults.
I agree with your wider point here, but even with learning the Arabic language I disagree a bit about that necessarily being a good thing to learn at the mosque. Yeh the alphabet and pronunciation etc sure, but the translation and meaning is what I'm talking about. I think the spiritual and humanitarian aspect isn't being discussed, it's literal translation and fundamentals (not the political right wing "fundamentals" but you know what I mean). And the impression I have is that parents are indifferent to this. And I've found this with parents at a number of schools. I accept good parents bring a holistic wisdom to their children's understanding of faith but I'm a person of faith and I feel that schools do add something, that spiritual and humanitarian aspect that children often don't get taught because it's all about the dogma outside of school.
