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So much for 'peacekeeping'

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by thefanwithnoname, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Are we surprised?
     
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  2. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    brits at it too

    Richard Monk, is a respected British policeman and former Deputy Commissioner of the Devon and Cornwall Police. He was head of the IPTF in Bosnia for two years from 1998.

    He says "I knew of one case where a 14 year old girl was actually living with an international police officer. I had to set up an internal affairs branch to manage investigations against my own police officers. There was nothing more embarrassing and damaging to the work that we were trying to do."
     
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  3. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Lets be honest here. These people are not Britsih, Canadian, Russian, African or whatever. They are *****philes and should be skinned alive.
     
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  4. You're a belter <laugh>

    Someone's nationality changes if they commit a crime?
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The IPTF is a multi-national organisation, as the name suggests.
    Nothing in what he said indicates that he's talking about anyone British.
    Quite the opposite, in fact.

    Sex trafficking is clearly wrong, but you're trying to make this into another anti-Western thing.
    Why doesn't that surprise me?
     
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  6. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    muslims are all brown

    brits who are *****'s are not brits

    <laugh> classic
     
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  7. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Natasha Walter
    Saturday July 5, 2003
    The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk

    Imagine that half a dozen German women had just claimed they had been gang-raped by British soldiers who were stationed in their country on exercise. Imagine that even when the women had reported the rapes the soldiers had been allowed to fly home and the incident was never investigated. Imagine that a few months later another such incident took place.

    If such accusations were being made against British soldiers by European women, and if the women's stories were backed up by hospital and police records and compelling testimony from the traumatised young women, then the media would have gone into a frenzy - demanding to know how British soldiers could go on the rampage, and why officers were covering up for them.

    Far from just a few cases, we are currently seeing hundreds of women coming forward to claim that they have been raped by British soldiers. Six hundred and fifty women who say that they were raped over the past 30 years - the most recent incident took place last year - have just been granted legal aid to bring a case for compensation against the British army. But these women aren't from Europe; they come from pastoralist communities in the highlands of Kenya. For the past 50 years their land has been used by thousands of British soldiers who go out to Africa for a few weeks or months at a time to practise desert and mountain warfare.

    The mere fact that they are in Africa seems to have ensured that these women's claims have sparked little fury in comparison to what would have occurred if the same had happened on any other continent. A racist view that black women do not have the same rights or the same sensibilities as other women still seems to influence us in Britain, far more than we like to admit. But it shouldn't need to be stated that the trauma these women have suffered goes just as deep as it would with any other women in any other part of the world. I went out to Kenya when the first women began to put their claims to a British solicitor, and although I spoke only to a small number of them, I will never forget their tales of emotional and physical pain.

    If we do allow ourselves to take these allegations seriously, then they must change the way we look at the British army. When I first reported on the women's claims for this newspaper back in March, the armed forces were just going into action in Iraq. From that moment on, we have faced a barrage of exhortation from politicians and the media to get behind our boys. In contrast to the troops of other countries, we are told, British soldiers are always disciplined, and always respectful towards local people. We have been shown charming pictures of British soldiers giving sweets to children and putting themselves at risk by going around without their helmets. Their bravery, we are told, is matched only by their gentlemanly behaviour.

    Are we allowing this spurt of patriotism to blind us to the gravity of the accusations coming out of Kenya? Their nature and number suggest that rapes were not simply being committed by a few soldiers going on a brutal spree for a few days.

    More than half of the alleged attacks were gang rapes, and many of them were carried out in a systematic manner by groups of soldiers hunting down women at watering holes or in pasture grounds. I spoke to one woman who said that she was caught up in an attack in which at least 12 soldiers raped six women. One woman told me of another incident in which two soldiers raped her in turn, while another soldier looked on silently, holding the others' guns.

    If these rapes did go on for so long and in such numbers, then the whole scandal could not have continued without officers deliberately turning a blind eye. Documentary evidence of reports made to army officers in Kenya is now coming to light, including letters written by local chiefs and local government officers that are dated as far back as 1977.

    I have spoken to Masai chiefs who attended a meeting with senior army officers in 1983 at which the rapes were discussed and the officers promised to take steps to prevent them; I have also spoken to a Kenyan man who remembered reporting a rape as recently as 1998 to a major at a British army camp. No action, however, was ever taken to investigate or discipline any soldiers.

    The suggestion that a culture of impunity reached throughout the army from the bottom to the very top can be put into the wider context of the history of the British army in Kenya. Only now is the real story being told of the atrocities carried out by the British against fighters for Kenyan independence in the Mau Mau uprising of the 1950s.

    Although full investigations have, up to now, been thwarted by Kenyan and British authorities, veterans of that struggle are now preparing to launch their own action for compensation against the British government. Their allegations against British authorities include tales of starvation, beatings, forced labour, torture, and also claims by Kikuyu women that they were systematically raped by British soldiers as punishment for their people's involvement in the independence uprising.

    The legacy of this brutal colonialism clearly infects the behaviour of the British army in Kenya to this day. If you are simply incredulous at the very idea that the British soldiers could still get away with raping Kenyan women without immediate disciplinary action being taken, you might want to consider other aspects of the way the army behaved while on exercise in these areas. Although the area that I visited is actually owned by the Masai people, the British army never paid them directly (money went instead to the Kenyan government) for the privilege of taking over part of their precious grazing land every year, but they would treat the land as if it were their own. Sometimes they would divert the water supply from local settlements for the army camps, so that Kenyan children went thirsty while British soldiers drank freely.

    And then there is the fact that for decades these soldiers left their unexploded ordnance on grazing grounds so that ordinary people, including children, could stumble on them and be maimed and even killed. A £4.5m compensation settlement was winkled out of the Ministry of Defence only last year for those people who were injured or bereaved in such incidents, when at last our government realised that it could not get away with allowing black children to be blown up by its bombs in peacetime.

    Amnesty International has now called for an independent inquiry to be held into these hundreds of allegations of rape. Indeed, although the Ministry of Defence has recently sent a few members of the Royal Military Police to start an investigation, a more public and more accountable inquiry is essential. The scale and gravity of these alleged crimes suggest that this goes way beyond the wild behaviour of a few soldiers. As one of the Kenyan women I met said to me of the men who raped her: "They have brought shame on all the British people."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/kenya/story/0,12689,992066,00.html
     
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  8. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    To have a nationality you must be a human. You may consider rapists and child abusers human but I don't. Therefore they have no nationality. They are scum.
     
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  9. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    SIXTY years ago. <laugh>
     
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  10. irishgreen

    irishgreen Well-Known Member

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    Still wrong Dev.
     
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  11. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Do you even know why I said 60 years ago?
     
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  12. irishgreen

    irishgreen Well-Known Member

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    Yes,because it was sixty years ago.
     
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  13. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I'll take that as a no then Irish.

    He's already posted this and tried to claim it was recently. Anyhoo events have since moved on.




    An inquiry into allegations that British soldiers raped more than 2,000 Kenyan women found no reliable evidence to support a criminal prosecution, the government said today.The investigation, carried out by the special investigation branch of the Royal Military police, examined the claims and found much of the evidence cited in the cases appeared to have been fabricated.In a statement today, the Ministry of Defence said the 10-month investigation had concluded there was "no corroborative evidence that would lead to the successful prosecution of a named individual in a UK court".

    Impact, a human rights group representing Maasai women in the case, said it would continue its attempts to have the accused men prosecuted. "There are a number of cases with concrete evidence, and even if the British write a hundred reports, justice must be done," the organisation's Johnson ole Kaunga said."They seem to be saying rapes took place but they can't find who did it. They have spent three years and millions ... just to tell us what they have always said. This is a joke." Mr Kaunga said Kenyan police were conducting a parallel investigation, but were not available for comment.

    The Royal Military police interviewed 2,187 mostly Maasai and Samburu tribeswomen who said they had been sexually assaulted by British troops training in Kenya.

    "A large amount of the information provided by the Kenyan police and medical authorities appears to have been fabricated," a spokesman for the MoD said.
    The investigation also examined claims that "institutional acquiescence" had led to rape complaints being ignored by the army, but again concluded that there was no case to answer.

    The allegations, which date back over 55 years, arose in summer 2003 when several women demonstrated outside the British high commission in Nairobi, claiming their mixed race babies were the result of rapes by British soldiers.
    The Adjutant General, Lieutenant General Freddie Viggers - the army's principal personnel officer - said: "The British army has taken these allegations extremely seriously, and they have been extensively and sensitively examined.
    "It has been a complex and detailed investigation which has been subject to rigorous internal and external reviews, and all viable lines of inquiry have been pursued."

    There are concerns that the findings, which were independently verified by Devon and Cornwall police, will strain relations between Britain and the Kenya, where up to 4,000 British troops undergo training each year.

    Gen Viggers thanked the Kenyan authorities for their cooperation with the inquiry. "The British army greatly values the opportunity to train in Kenya, and we look forward to continuing our strong relationship with our Kenyan counterparts," he said.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/dec/14/military.kenya?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
     
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  14. irishgreen

    irishgreen Well-Known Member

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    "the findings, which were independently verified by Devon and Cornwall police"

    Ever heard of John Stalker Dev?
     
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  15. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    how long ago was the holocaust sarge?

    or 9/11

    or 7/7

    when did god say israel was for jews?

    youre full of ****
     
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  16. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    yeah but did you personally know him?
    did he specifically tell you?

    this is the same guy who wont accept the UNHCR flotilla report
    yet accepts alleagtions against tje british forces to be untrue, because the british forces investigated and said they were untrue <laugh>

    FFS what next?
     
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  17. Shameless

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    I have it on good authority that you have a prejorative attitude towards Africa.

    There's nothing new in this. In Bosnia, UN civilian workers were regularly and openly seen with minors as young as 13, who fed their perversions. The same was true in Cambodia where girls aged 10 and 12 performed bj's in exchange for breakfast whilst officials turned a blind eye. In Somalia, anal rape of the village chief's daughters -in this case by military personnel. That's possibly the tip of the iceberg and is purely based on what I know to be true. In the latter example, by an African military commander, in the other two, by caucasians.

    In such environments, I don't think human depravity has any limits.
     
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  18. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Unfortunately you are wrong, i was simply making a point which you have missed because it's a continuation of an argument elsewhere so you were not to know.

    It would appear that I am prejudiced somehow, and although I am not, I agree that is the way it looks. Hopefully someone will comprehend the point I was making.
     
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  19. monacoger

    monacoger POTY 2021

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    Dev, I comprehend.
     
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  20. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    <laugh>

    Good because I can't be bothered explaining.
     
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