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Mourinho...how long will he be given?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Jan 1, 2020.

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How long will he be given?

  1. Til we go out of the CL?

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  2. Til the end of the season?

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  3. Til next Oct/Nov?

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  4. Will be a success so irrelevant?

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  1. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    It would've made sense if his drop in form was just this season but Dele hasn't been consistent enough since the end of the 16/17 season where we finished 2nd to Chelsea. Flashes and periods of brilliance but too many periods of 'nothingness'.

    Someone we should definitely be considering offers for in the summer, he's the highest profile player I think we can afford to sell without feeling too much of a loss (if at all) and also likely fetches one of the best fees to then reinvest back into the squad in much needed areas. Based on his substitution against Leipzig and starting from the bench vs Chelsea, I think Jose is at the beginning of losing patience with him anyway and I don't blame him. His brother's been around far too long now for my liking.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Earlier this season one r/coys user took the meme too far and said we should play Sissoko as a false nine

    ...yeah, now SpursWeb are running an article saying we should use Eric Dier up top
     
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  4. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I think you are guilty of doing what you say I do with Levy....you are not criticising Jose at all.
    Some of his decisions have been good.
    Getting rid of Rose and letting Eriksen go now was good.
    His use of Tanganga etc.
    In a lot of games he has got the team showing a backbone (Wolves, Norwich, Boro, Southampton in the cup games, City, Liverpool and Villa all come to mind) which they rarely did under Pochettino in the last 6 or 8 months (barring the CL quarter and semi finals).
    However, his constant use of Aurier and Dier is clearly problomatic.

    I see us fighting for 4th (we won't get it in my opinion as we are too flaky) but under Pochettino that looked an impossibility so that should be recognised but equally, poor showings and results v Chelsea (twice), United, Southampton can not be ignored.

    I go to games when ever possible and am never negative at them and will slways get behind the team and manager but I just do not see this working out...he has been tactically out thought by the United, Southampton (away and in fa cup replay), Chelsea (twice), Norwich (in the home game), Villa, Leipzig and wolves managers in 3 months.
    We won 3 and drew 1 and lost 5 of those 8 matches...2 of the games we won were with last minute goals and one was with a very late penalty.
    Jose Mourinho is supposed to be a great tactical manager ... to be out thought in 8 out of 21 matches (35% approx) of matches is not a positive thing...nor is it acceptable imho.

    And I have deliberately left of the Bayern Munich, Liverpool and City games as well as the finsl 20 mins v west hsm and v Bournemouth snd the opening 30 mins v Olympiakos (where we were battered throughout those periods) so not to be unduly harsh.
     
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  5. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I could get used to seeing this celebration on a regular basis...
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  6. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    My patience ran out with Dele when he filmed that bloke at the airport and then took the piss out of him.
    It was **** behaviour.

    His tantrum after being subbed last week after yet another poor performance sums up his **** attitude for me.

    I can live with off performances etc but his Trippier like blaming everyone but himself behaviour and the sheer arrogance of his behaviour at the airport has ****ed me right off.
    Shsme the bloke didn't slap the arrogant twat.

    I hope and his brand go elsewhere as soon as possible.
     
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  7. KingHotspur

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    Hes been **** or injured for 3 years. Dele has gone from one I really rated to one I’d not be particularly bothered if Spurs sold him (as long it was good money and reinvested in a replacement)
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Off field antics don't bother me too much if I'm honest, he's a dick for doing that but I only really care about what a player does on the pitch. Same applied to Rose, despite all his smack talk to the press, if he'd actually maintained his 2014-2017 form I wouldn't have been too fussed about what he said, problem for him though is that his form matched his smack talk - it was a load of ****.

    You can be the biggest dickhead or the model pro, so long as you perform most weeks for Spurs that's where I'll judge you and unfortunately for Alli, his form has been way too inconsistent to keep persisting with. Plus with the likely switch to 433, I don't see a place for him anyway.
     
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  9. BobbyD

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    Tbf to jose hes hes barely used dier recently so not sure you can use that as a stick to beat him with.

    As for aurier, he played tangaga at the weekend and it went awful (as hes not even a rb). Foyth is untrusted and was never a rb anyway and you dont want sanchez to go there again. Fact is levy has left you boys with ONE rb is a travesty itself
     
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    Foyth has been transitioned into an RB for over a year now, not just at Spurs but for the Argentine national team, so it makes sense to have continuity there (especially if, albeit based on a small sample size from the CL this season, he's linked up very well with Lo Celso when the two have played)

    The biggest issue for the squad this summer is that our failure to use a scalpel last summer means we'd need to use a broadsword instead
    - Wanyama and Rose are gone, end of discussion
    - Vertonghen's out of contract, so there's no need to start a discussion
    - Aurier had better have improved his resale value, because it'll be spent on his replacement
    - Dier has until June to prove his fitness and conditioning have improved or he's gone
    - Toby needs to show commitment otherwise he's going to be watching Sanchez and Tanganga become our first-choice pairing
    - Carter-Vickers and Georgiou aren't going to make the grade, so they need to start their careers somewhere else (and similar can be said for a few at the upper age limit of the U23s)

    The thing is that's not even as ruthless as some of the suggestions I've seen doing the rounds, not even on here, but the fact I can easily list four or five first teamers who can be shown the door or reminded where the door is plus a couple of squad players does say a lot, because not only do we need to free up space (and wages) for the quality DM and RB we're sorely lacking, but there's a handful of players who simply should have been moved on by now but we haven't done so - and if they're not offering anything, which Wanyama and Rose don't and Toby's got us asking if he does, they simply need to go waste somebody else's time
     
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    Dier did not start in the last 2 games but did start the previous 2 against
    Southampton and villa and he was appalling in both.

    Levy and Pochettino messed up in the summer by letting Trippier and Llorente go and not replacing them, by not telling Aurier and Rose that they would not being getting a squad number (that would have made them take the offers elsewhere) and getting in other full backs.
     
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  12. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Actually, we probably don't need a right back at all, because Mourinho prefers to have a ****ing great big hole there in pretty much every game we play.

    However, to address your point, Poch picked the players that he kept. At the start of the season, we had 3 right backs - Aurier, Foyth and KWP.

    KWP's not physically ready to play regularly in the PL. However, at the end of last season, Foyth played really well at right back at Anfield and against City and is first choice for Argentina (as HBIC says). I'm pretty sure that he would have been Poch's first choice in that position, if he'd not got injured in pre-season.

    The fact that Mourinho doesn't pick him makes no sense to me because Aurier's a bloody liability.
     
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    You can add Wanyama to that list too

    The fact that both he and Rose were set to leave, only to scupper their moves at the last minute meaning we were stuck with them until January at the earliest, was by far the most aggravating aspect of the transfer window
     
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    In hindsight, we were all massively naive regarding our FB situation going into the season. It actually embarrasses me how I was getting my hopes up that we'd be ok with a clown as our most senior RB, backed up by a young CB playing out of position based on a game against Palace last season, and a young RB who hasn't been developed one iota since he was 18. Meanwhile on the other flank we had lard-arse as our most senior LB and a back up who'd just had complicated surgery, missing the whole of pre-season as a result.

    Like, what on earth were we expecting would happen??
     
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    What's most baffling about Foyth is that, last week, the club announced he was in the late stages of conditioning training after a groin strain - but the club never announced he was out with a groin strain nor do we know when it happened, as while the obvious suggestion would be the Norwich game as he was hooked at half time he was on the bench for a couple of FA Cup games after that
     
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    Yeah so hes had about 6 games at right back (which lets face it is hardly anything). Even so he was bought in as a centre back and the one time mourinho did use him was cb.

    I know poch was planning to use him as a rb as the itk say but that hes not really been used and tangaga is preferred says it all about the trust jose has in him. Kwp was loaned off in january so it made sense to get a backup rb for jose. Even cedric joined the goons for 5m
     
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  17. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    I don't put any great faith in Mourinho's choices, especially when picking experienced players ahead of younger ones.

    If he'll pick Dier ahead of Skipp, Vertonghen ahead of Sanchez and Rose ahead of Sessegnon, he's capable of anything.

    Mourinho certainly has his fans, but there are a good number of us who wonder what the **** is going on and are waiting for it to end in tears and compensatory payments early next season.
     
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  18. Stokenchurch yid

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    I'm not a fan of jose and certainly didn't want him at our club but now he's here I'm gonna put up with it for now and give him the time to get things right although I don't think he will. Some of his selections in picking the team and especially the substitutes are baffling to me,why pick so many midfielders who are similar in style and position on the bench,he puts dier and skippy on the bench for example when we all know skippy is never gonna get on ahead of him.I would have thought when jose was in talks about becoming manager one of the first things he would have demanded was a back up striker to kane,the fact that didnt happen is mind blowing. As far as I can see there has been hardly any improvement since he took over and it looks like its gonna end the same way as his other clubs with a fallout ,hope I'm wrong and he turns it around but I just cant see it. He should stop the moaning and get on with the job in hand and stop picking players out of form and out of position...over to you SPECIAL ONE prove you can do it.
     
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    The thing is just because he’s labelled the Special one...doesn’t actually mean he pulls Rabbits out of Hats

    I for one won’t be judging him at all until he has had

    More than 5 minutes in the job
    A few transfer windows
    A pre season
    His OWN Team

    Plus our squad was done under Poch...Jose has come into a mess. A mess created by Levy and Poch. Most of you would be talking about another 5 year plan if Poch had stayed...buying into every bit of bollocks sold by the owners and the manager in order to aid the dithering intent of the owners.

    I think it’s personal in some cases because reasons for the negativity make no sense considering how long he’s been here. If that was Eddie Beige Howe....or someone similar you’d all be clamouring for another major 5 year plan reminding the rest to give him a chance and how he’s etc etc. I think some have just got it in for Jose and a few can’t wait for him to slip.


    Yeah the way we play isn’t what most dream of...but this isn’t Roy of the Rovers. We are at the top end and that’s a results business. I dont walk away from games thinking..we played well even though we lost...give me a result anyday.


    I hate Tiki Taka btw...boring like ****...pass pass pass pass yawn pass yawn...**** off...I enjoy my teams to have a directness to them when required with plenty ****housery thrown in...I’m not fighting the good fight in order to save the beautiful game from infiltrators like a Jose ffs...the most successful man to have stepped into our club.

    Btw congrats guise...yesterday was the 12 year anniversary of our last trophy...or should I say our only trophy under ENIC
     
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  20. Stokenchurch yid

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    You cant blame ENIC for all those semi final defeats 8 or 9 iirc you have to blame the players and or management's for not seeing it through.
     
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