http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...t-of-spurs-as-he-pays-penalty-for-cup-exit.do True, they are mainly talking about Gomes - but what is the point of writing a whole article slating a keeper who has lost his place in the starting line-up and is widely expected to move on in January anyway? It's as if they have to fulfill a quota on anti-Spurs articles every week. However, they're also dictating Tom Carroll be loaned out in January? Whilst this doesn't compare with the bloodhounds sniffing around Ross Barklay (and, before him, Jack Rodwell) within ten minutes of their first team debut, it is a bizarre thing to write. But not as bizarre as a paper publishing a hatchet job on Gomes, yet only posting an article praising the youngsters on their website... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...praises-spurs-youngster-after-penalty-miss.do
Just lazy journo crap. I'd only loan Carroll if we were out of Europa, otherwise he's fully earned and deserves his chance to keep playing in the competition in my opinion, it's a higher level of football than The Championship so will help aid his development better.
It's remarkably direspectful to assume he'd learn more in the Championship than he would playing against Rubin Kazan/PAOK/Crusaders - and, should we progress, or for that matter get League One team in the FA Cup, what's saying he won't get games then?
Exactly HBC, he's proved he's more than capable to play at a good level already. Games against Rubin and PAOK are invaluable for players like him at the moment, especially the away legs where he can experience difference climates and different styles of football. I'm not saying he's gonna be a World beater, but I really do feel after the first few games we've seen of him, he could have a good future in the game.
I think that the problem there is that he might not play in our Europa League games, if everyone's fit. Assume that we stick with a 4-4-2 and both Modric and Parker keep their places with Bale and van der Vaart out wide. That leaves us with Sandro, Huddlestone, Kranjcar, Livermore, Lennon and Pienaar fighting for a place in what's essentially our second XI. Youngsters that have shown promise, like Carroll, Kane and Townsend, would be even further down the pecking order. Knowing what our injury problems are normally like it won't be a problem, but loan spells appear to have done Walker and Caulker a lot of good.
Long way to go yet, and it depends on finishing top of the group avoiding a CL drop-out in the knockout phase, the further we go the less we'll see of the youngsters.
I cant see him going on loan as a bad thing if we want to take the Europa seriously which i think Arry will now we are out the Carling Cup. Plus if he goes to the championship they are playing week in week out whereas with the Europa its only every now and then. I can only see postives from loaning Townsend, Livermore and Carroll however Kane i would keep as Pav obviously doesn't want to play and would rather have Kane as a back up then a lazy Pav! We need a trophy this year and can only see the FA cup (where we should play our stongest team) and the Europa (which we can win with our non regular starters playing) as our best chances!
It's not a bad thing to go on loan, but playing in Europe and training with our players would be more beneficial in my opinion, though PNP made a good point in saying that when the other 1st teamers are fit and need games, the younger guys will be lower down the pecking order and therefore a loan maybe a better option. Agree with keeping Kane, he's looked a lot better than Pav and at the moment I'd rather have him as 3rd choice as at least he'll have the hunger to make an impression and work for the team. I still don't think Harry will take Europa seriously, he's said from the start that the league is his prorioty, only our 2nd team/ youngsters will feature until the knockout rounds I reckon. I also wouldn't say we could win it with the squad players, teams like Atletico Madrid, Bilbao, Udinese and PSG would require us to be at full strength to beat if we were to face them.
Everyone seems to be tearing strips off Gomes lately so it's no great surprise that they've joined in. I don't think they're being particularly mischevious in suggesting Carroll may go out on loan, because he might. What gets me is that it's another throw away half-thought out comment based on his kneejerk opinion and not a lot else. Same old poor journalism from the Standard.
SOS everyone has there opinion and i agree on some terms for example youngers training with our 1st teamers greats more of an good atomsphere in the changing room however as we dont have a reserve team they need to be playing every week and the only way your going to improve is if your playing competitive week in week out. The best option would be for them to go to Premier league team but i don't think they are quite ready for that (Carroll looks about 12 year old!) so the 2nd option would be Championship. I know Arry said his main priority is the league position but i think i speak on may spurs fans behalf that we want some silverware and i now feel we have the squad to do this if Arry can use them wisely!
I know everyone has an opinon, I never said people can't have one... You speak on behalf of ALL Spurs fans when you say we want silverware, but when you said our second string could win Europa, I disagreed as the likes of Madrid, Bilbao, Udinese and PSG would require a full strength team if we were to beat them as they're all top Euorpean teams that shouldn't be taken lightly if we wanted to progress in the competition. In terms of loans, I did actually say that I agreed with PNP in which now we're out of the Carling cup and with some of the experienced lads coming back, the younger lads chances would be more limited hence going on loan would be the better option. Though my point was that I felt training with our first team and getting chances in the cups would have been better, they may not have played week in week out but staying with Tottenham and playing our style while learning from the likes of King, Modric, Bale, Defoe etc will help their chances of pushing for squad places rather than going out on loan and playing with a team that perhaps doesn't play the same style as we do. Livermore actually mentioned in an interview (I don't have a link, sorry, may have been on Spurs TV when he was in a press conference) that although he was grateful to the teams that gave him first team experience, none of them played like Spurs which is why he felt he never made the best of impressions when out on loan which therefore may have hindered his chances. I like the loan system and it is a great way for guys who won't get chances with us to experience competitive football, though when there are chances for the young guys (which there has been) to get games, then I think that's the better option so they can learn our style at a younger age which will help their chances of making the step up when the time comes. Carroll's only played 3 games for us and already we feel he has a future, if he was with a Championship team at the moment, in all honesty none of us would have a clue as to whether he could make the grade or not.
Totally agree! PNP 100% correct doubt they will get as much chances i just don't want them to fizzle out for example John Bostock great potential but where is he now?
Bostocks downfall was his attitude according to some reports. Though he is still 19 so it's not too late for him to get his down and impress. He's clearly got the talent, his striking of a ball is fantastic, hit some screamers while on loan and playing for the youths. Though he can't blame anyone but himself for not putting in the right effort.
I have to disagree SoS - A 19 year old footballer with an attitude problem needs some help to sort it out. We paid big money for him and its up to the management to get a return on it.
We paid something like 500k for him that would reach £1m depending on bonuses, we'd more than likely get that back if we sold him now and moved on. I don't feel he deserves it, every young professional footballer should be committed and determined to make a career for themselves regardless of whether they came through the youth ranks or were bought like he was. If he hasn't got the determination and right attitude to improve what is undoubted great potential, why should he get any more help? I'm not saying put him aside, but he should get the same treatment as all other young players at the club. Carroll, Livermore, Kane, Townsend, Fredericks, Nicholson and Luongo have got their chances this season as they've clearly knuckled down in training and done their best to show the manager that they really want a chance. If Bostock follows suit, I'm sure Harry will give him the same treatment. He probably has more natural ability than most of the guys named to be fair, yet if he isn't going to put the effort in, I don't see why we should strive to help him.
So in other words he is another Taarabt if he is get rid asap! I think Arry is one of the best managers when trying to sort a player who has problems in the past and if he can't sort Bostock out then sod it get rid! Btw is he still in our reserves or is he out on loan?
Exactly VDM, Taarabt's a prime example, undeniable talent yet had no determination or work ethic to make it at the top. Bostock's in the reserves at the moment, did actually score a belter against Kettering in the Spurs XI game a few weeks back.
Compare this to, say, Danny Rose - last season he stated he wasn't happy at his lack of chances, but he stuck at it and had a few appearances towards the end of last season, and acquitted himself pretty well when called up as an emergency left back. Bostock, on the other hand, has decided to be the stereotypical young English footballer who had a bit of hype about him early one - huge ego, huge sense of entitlement about a starting place, and the motivation of Kevin The Teenager.
You'd think getting dumped on the bench at Hull because of his attitude would've given him a subtle hint but, no, it's obviously Hull's fault for not appreciating him. Oh well, at least QPR are taking our sulky prospects...
