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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Whiteleas Wanderer, Jan 19, 2020.

  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    It's quite easy but not what you originally said, this doesn't clarify that ...

    ... it's a different thing altogether, it would be shocking if anyone on here had seen any documents.


    "Because they didn't ever make a bid to own the club outright."
     
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  2. Kittenmittons

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    Well where is the evidence that they did?
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I didn't state that there was any.

    I'm not here to provide evidence.

    People either believe me or not, as they've said ...

    ... I've no interest in convincing anyone.
     
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  4. Kittenmittons

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    But you're asking me to prove a negative with evidence that cannot exist if it is true :D Why are you doing this? I'm trying to be polite here, but I said until I see evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that the thing the owner said is true. Nothing here is outrageous, it is entirely rational.
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    I'm not asking you to prove anything.

    You made a statement you can't back up with anything other than the various comments by Donald ...

    ... as I said in my very first response, that's all, end of story.

    "Because they didn't ever make a bid to own the club outright."
     
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  6. Kittenmittons

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    I don't believe they did. I have not seen any evidence to suggest they did, the man who they would have made the bid to says they did not. Are you saying he's a liar? Or that there is any reason to suggest whatsoever that they did make a bid?
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    Yes.
     
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  8. Kittenmittons

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    So you've seen evidence that they did make a bid? What has he lied about?
     
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    This
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Yes to question 1, not prepared to comment further on question 2.

    Incidentally it was you who offered to back yourself up with a negative ...

    "Is this statement based on anything other than Donald's various comments?"

    "Yes, the fact we've never seen any documentary evidence to the contrary."
     
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  11. Kittenmittons

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    Yes, that is part of it. If, for example, I had seen some kind of evidence that contradicted him as the owner saying something very categorical as a first hand witness to this, I would then question it.

    Again, I just don't believe any of your sources. They've been demonstrably wrong about so much that unless you've seen some kind of definitive paperwork, it's likely inaccurate.
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Cheers everyone, much appreciated.
    KTF if you feel FPP are the people you want at the club.

    They're already the biggest investors, did due diligence and have registered a company at the SOL ...

    ... that's quite extreme just to loan someone money he claims he doesn't even need.
     
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  13. Smug in Boots

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    That's nonsense.
     
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  15. Kittenmittons

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    They have though. I mean really, loads of fundamentals were wrong or the dates were wrong, even the very small amount of evidence you saw was not accurate in what it said about the club.

    They told you:

    That you had seen a whatsapp from Fuhrman boasting that he was the new owner of SAFC
    The EFL lawyers have OKd the deal and it was all done in September
    The takeover going to be announced late September, then mid-October...
    The new owners will put in as much money as they are legally allowed
    There's nothing that can cock this up now, everyone wants it to go ahead including the buyers and sellers. (Late September)
    There's nothing that can stop the takeover, end of story. (September)
    The deal was done, you saw first hand proof (what exactly you saw I'm not sure).
    That these people aren't here to spend years building a club from the bottom. They'll do that but behind the scenes and in conjunction with spending our way back to the PL as fast as possible - they didn't even take over, and recently you tell us they want to take it slowly.
    They want to change the club badge ( :D )
    That a deal was agreed, then their lawyers came in (despite the legal stuff apparently being sorted in September)
    That it isn't a loan (it is)

    Most, if not all of that turned out to be a load of bollocks. Sorry, but it's that simple.
     
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  16. Kittenmittons

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    Again, for clarity, I don't think you're a liar, I think by the sounds of it, multiple people use you as a conduit and you pass on what you think is credible.

    I dread to think what the rest say if that's the cream of the crop.
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

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    Wow, you keep a file on me and I thought it was Donald you were after ...

    ... although it seems he's no longer the conman you insisted he was.

    No one told me they'd seen WhatsApps from Fuhrman, I read them myself ...

    ... you need to update your dossier.

    Most of the rest comes down to dates that changed when Donald put thin caveats that were unacceptable.

    If he refuses to sell no one can force him.
     
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    Splendid.
    Thanks mate
     
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  19. Kittenmittons

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    I just searched your posts in a thread...
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Well done, Mag match coming on now ...

    ... I'm sure you'll be watching.
     
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