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  1. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    Not a case of looking for any lining Duggie just stating the facts. Whether Brexit has any effects on the Premier League cannot be ascertained as yet. What is the case is that many foreigners do not feel welcome in England at the moment and are leaving in droves as a result - footballers, despite their high salaries are also human and have to live in the country for 24 hours per day, not just the time they spend playing. I often wonder how a person like Slavisa Jokanovic felt living in a country where most of his compatriots were picking potatoes - and where so many of the carrot crunchers of middle England felt it was 'natural' that Serbs pick their potatoes.
     
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    The problem there is the lazy offspring of the Welfare State would sooner live on benefits than do a days work which is why there is work for the migrants
     
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    Hopefully can keep fit and find form.
     
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    Jokanovic probably felt saddened and angry his own country could not find work for his compatriots. The likelihood is he is extremely thankful for his employment opportunities and those for his countrymen in the UK.

    I have met him, he is very tall.
     
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  6. colognehornet

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    The Serbs and the Slovenes are the tallest people in Europe SH. My wife's son is married to a girl from Serbia and she's nearly 6 foot.
     
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  7. colognehornet

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    Aren't you forgetting that over 6 million Brits live outside of the UK, and they aren't all pensioners SH. In Germany there are 140,000 of whom only 6% are pensioners - should they/we all feel saddened and angry at our own countrymen ? You are right in that it is normal for immigrants to take work which is well below their abilities and qualifications - here is no different, and I did many jobs on first arriving here which I would not have dreamed of doing - that was until I had a sufficient grasp of the language to do it differently. The main difference is that Germany is still a manufacturing country with factory jobs. It is also a country where every person has a health insurance and a bank account, and also proof of their residence. There is no such thing as black, cash in hand work here. Many of those who go to the UK go there under false promises, or contracts which don't exist, and end up without the money to return. German is getting many of these people en route back - it is also safer here for them. Unfortunately xenophobia has become more or less normal in the UK, often fuelled by the media. I wonder how immigrants (both EU and non EU) and ethnic minorities felt on the streets on your 'so called' Brexit night - which turned many town centres into the 'night of the chav'. Have you found one single person of Afro Caribbean origins who supports Brexit, and ever wondered why.
     
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  8. superhorns

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    There are regular attacks on immigrants in Germany, much more so than in the UK.

    I agree it is far too easy for illegal immigrants to survive in the UK, it should be made much harder. I believe Boris will offer them an amnesty, I think this is the wrong attitude, it only encourages more illegals to try to enter the country. Most of the gangs exploiting foreigners in the UK are run by foreigners, hopefully we can soon start deporting them back home.

    I'm sure Brexit was supported right across all groups in the UK, just like the present UK government.
     
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    I have a photo with slav, Gino, myself, wife, & daughter, taken at the awards night. He looks like a giant up against the rest of us. My wife didn't know who Gino was until later!!
     
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  10. colognehornet

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    You know as well as I do that Brexit was not supported across all groups in the UK. All the big cities had a majority against, as in Scotland and N.Ireland. There was a strong generational divide and also an educational one. The truth is that one half of the British population is ripping citizenship rights away from the other half against their will. You ought to stop and consider the fact that from the 10 poorest regions of northern Europe 6 of them are in England and Wales (based on disposable income). But the richest region in Northern Europe is London central West. Is it Europe's fault that England's regions have been left behind and the World's fifth biggest economy has allowed whole areas to go under ? The problem was that the Brexiteers managed to convince Britain's poorest that the EU was part of the elite which was screwing them - that the EU was the reason they are poor, as opposed to government policy.
     
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    No, the research gives different reasons, sovereignty followed by control of immigration.

    lordashcroftpolls.com › 2019/02 › how-the-uk-voted-on-brexit-and-...How the UK voted on Brexit, and why - a refresher - Lord ...
     
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    I did notice that under questioning from the former PM Theresa May, Raab has finally admitted that the UK will be less safe from undesirables coming into the country due to some EU individual countries, by law, not able to share information with third countries. Most of the illegal immigrants have come from non-EU countries if surveys can be believed, but just how have they arrived in the country? Through a border that is impossible to guard. This started off about would Brexit have an effect on player movement. Certainly play a season in Spain, get a passport, and you could. If you remember young players who did not have international experience behind them, or didn't earn enough, did not get a visa, and if Watford wanted them enough lent them to Granada till they had their passport. Without that certain route who knows what will happen.
     
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  13. colognehornet

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    I have had a good browse through these SH. I would say that I am sceptical about whether people are really honest in answering such questionaires - there are many who will not be prepared to admit how important immigration was for them. The majority of people really have no idea where their laws actually come from anyway - and when challenged cannot, normally, quote one single EU law which has actually disadvantaged their lives. We have now moved onto the second phase of the battle - are those who voted for independence from the EU all lovers of a free trade agreement with the USA ? Will the British even be asked what kind of relationship they want with the USA ? Or will it be signed seeled and delivered behind closed doors ? Do the public really want such a close relationship with a country which believes that free health care is akin to Communism ? Or a country where free trade, and movement of capital, is dependent on reduction of worker's and environmental rights ? Have you studied the fine print of what the USA tried to push on Europe ie. TTIP ? Do the British really want such a thing ? I love being able to travel from Greece to Sweden on the train, or from Portugal to Hungary and to such so much variety of culture and language - not a hint of the idea that Brussels is equalizing everything - Sweden is still Sweden and Greece is still Greece. Different in its music, its language, its architecture and the manners of its people. Then go to America and travel through the mid west - hundreds of miles of monotony, with scarely a wild flower which has escaped their monocultural agriculture. Is that what you want in the UK ? Naturally the EU is worried about the emergence of a USA/UK axis after Brexit - where the UK becomes a kind of dumping ground in the North Sea - they are also worried about the emergence of a kind of Singapore direct on their doorstep. If Britain chooses either of these paths then they can kiss goodbye to trade with Europe. The USA is a far greater threat to British sovereignty than anything you have experienced in the EU - there you were one amongst equals.
     
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  14. superhorns

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    The USA is only one of many countries the UK is looking to increase trade with. We all trade with China, they have significantly more human rights issues than your pet hate, America.

    I am so pleased our PM has stopped the EU bullies in their tracks. Whatever happens the UK must control our fisheries on an annual basis, deny any involvement for the ECJ and have complete divergence. This is exactly the stance I have been demanding for years. We can trade with the EU using tariffs if need be, most of the UK's trade is already done this way.

    I understand Nissan is considering closing its factories in France and Spain and investing further in Sunderland. Perhaps those voters knew something.

    Carmaker 'could pull out of EU and expand in UK after hard Brexit'
     
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    OK, you have had your say, so please can we return this now to Watford Short News Items.
     
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  16. colognehornet

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    Noting Frenchie's post we have come rather a long way from football and Watford FC. But the fact remains that over the last period we have been getting more British players and non EU nationals coming to the club - is that just coincidence that this is happening now of all times ? Have the Pozzo's really had a change of heart or is it that the idea of moving to Britain is becoming harder to sell to European players ? In the past the Premiership would have gained from the clearout at Ajax over the summer - but all six who left went to other European clubs, although Man.Utd, Arsenal and Spurs were all sniffing around. This could be one of the better aspects of Brexit, that the drain of European footballing talent comes to an end.
     
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  17. superhorns

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    I doubt if the EPL will lose its lure to overseas players, it is certainly the most competitive league in the world. Despite the crap weather, the UK is where the money is, and the excitement.
    From 2021 the UK Home Office and the FA will introduce a workable system for attracting the required number of suitable players. This will apply to EU and non EU players alike.
     
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  18. colognehornet

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    Er......'competitive' <laugh> Don't Liverpool have a 22 point lead ?
     
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    That is quite ridiculous. What does the Home Office know about the requirements of football clubs? In any case by the time they came to a decision the player would have retired.
     
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    I'm sure that I recently read of plans by some football authority or other, the FA or the EPL, to reduce the number of non-UK players allowed in the squad of 25. The clubs are opposed to a change.
     
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