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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    You missed that bit then.
     
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  2. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Let's all pull together eh?
     
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  3. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    "It ain"t over yet"!
     
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  4. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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  5. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    don't get rid of your gas guzzler yet

    Europe’s Electric Vehicle Charging Prices to Increase Substantially
    By IER


    January 27, 2020
    IONITY, Europe’s network for high-power-charging of electric vehicles, announced it will raise its charging prices by over 500 percent effective January 31, 2020. At that price, it will be three times more expensive than a Tesla supercharger in Europe, which average €0.25 ($0.28) per kilowatt-hour, and more than double the price of gasoline there. IONITY is a joint venture founded by the BMW Group, Daimler AG, Ford Motor Company, and Volkswagen Group with Audi and Porsche. Its objective is to build an extensive 350 kilowatt High Power Charging network for electric vehicles to facilitate long-distance travel in Europe. It currently has 202 charging stations in 17 countries and plans to double this to 400 locations in 24 countries this year.

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    Source: Fleet Europe
    Currently, IONITY charges a flat, fixed rate of €8 ($8.87) for a DCFC charging session—a good price if the battery is almost empty. For instance, a battery with 10 percent life remaining and 60 kilowatt-hours used during the charging session would result in a cost of about €0.13 ($0.144) per kilowatt-hour. Starting next month, however, IONITY will be charging users €0.79 ($0.88) per kilowatt-hour, which is over 500 percent more. So, using the Audi e-Tron battery as an example, “filling it up” with 80 kilowatt-hours of power will coat €63.20 ($70.10) to travel about 160 miles.

    In comparison, in France, electricity costs about €0.19 ($0.21) per kilowatt-hour for residences, and €0.24 ($0.265) per kilowatt-hour at Tesla Superchargers. In Germany, electricity costs €0.30 ($0.33) per kilowatt-hour for residences, and €0.33 ($0.365) per kilowatt-hour at Tesla Superchargers. These electricity prices are higher than those for residential electricity prices in the United States, which averaged $0.13 per kilowatt-hour for the first 9 months of 2019.

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    Source: Electrek
    Norway’s Reaction

    Norwegians are in an uproar due to the price hike. Norway’s power is cheaper than a number of other European countries due to its predominance of hydroelectricity, and it has many more electric vehicle customers, which the Norwegian electric vehicle industry believes should be reflected in the price of charging. Norway leads the world by market share in electric vehicle penetration with 56 percent of all cars sold in 2019 able to be plugged in.

    Connected Mobility Service Partners

    IONITY has supplier agreements with its car makers, referred to as “Connected Mobility Service Partners” (MSPs), which is a subscription service where the user receives a discounted price per kilowatt-hour, by paying monthly and generally agreeing to the terms of use. Under this service, the vendor is allowed to harvest data to enable other revenue streams for the vendor. IONITY does not provide a complete list of MSPs (prices) on its website.

    Members of Connected Mobility Service Providers networks include Audi e-tron Charging Service, Mercedes me Charge, BMW ChargeNow, Porsche Charging Service and Volkswagen WeCharge. Mercedes me Charge announced that it will charge €0.29 ($0.32) per kilowatt-hour at IONITY chargers, with no annual subscription fee for the first year. Audi e-tron Charging Service will cost €0.33 ($0.36) per kilowatt-hour plus a monthly subscription of €17.95 ($19.84), and Porsche Charging Service will cost €0.33 ($0.36) per kilowatt-hour plus a basic annual fee of €179 ($198).

    Conclusion

    The price increase announced by IONITY effective at the end of this month is making the fuel cost for electric vehicles higher than that of gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicles in Europe where those fuel costs are double that of the United States—around $5.00 or $6.00 a gallon. When evaluating the total cost of ownership, rising power costs at public charge points underlines the need for electric vehicle drivers to be able to recharge their cars at home. It also suggests that service and maintenance is the only area where electric vehicles will have a long-term cost advantage over cars with combustion engines. This price hike may be a game-changer to European electric vehicle markets.
     
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  6. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

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    What ever happened to that Russia report?
     
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  7. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    All those people who said 'I couldn't vote Labour because of Corbyn', 16% popularity rating (lowest ever) but hey, let's just blame Brexit. They're in perpetual denial...
     
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  8. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    Inevitable, wait until they have a captive market and the government see a taxable cash-cow...
     
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  9. Star of David Bardsley

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    True. I also think it’s true Corbyn was a bit of a smokescreen for some people who normally would have voted Tory and just denied it. “Corbyn would ‘av been a fackin disaster” Tory is the new silent Tory. Personally preferred it when they were silent.
     
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    Shhhhhh everyone has forgotten about that EVERYONE!!!
     
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  11. Steelmonkey

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    Happy Brexit Day - ya ****s! :1980_boogie_down:
     
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  12. Star of David Bardsley

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    I’ve bought a two litre bottle of White Lightning and will be telling myself to go home at 23:01.
     
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  13. ELLERS

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    I read some news item that said there is nothing in it of any substance. it was all a load of hot air.
     
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  14. ELLERS

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    don't worry "it ain't over yet" ask Stroller. :1980_boogie_down:
     
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  15. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

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    I feel like there may be some deja vu then as you don’t tend to hide away things which stop you from looking suspicious.
     
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  16. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    If it was that important the people that moaned would continue. It was a device to discredit Boris and it failed.
     
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  17. QPR Oslo

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    Yes, and the Brexit financial impact report?
     
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  18. Star of David Bardsley

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    Yet they still hide it. Strange.
     
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  19. pompeymeowth

    pompeymeowth Prepare for trouble x Staff Member

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