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The Norton Cat said:
It's only since Fenway Sports Group have come in that Liverpool have started looking like title contenders again. The previous lot of American owners (?Gillet and Hicks?) didn't do a great job.
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Gillet & Hicks were like a dreadful version of Crocket & Tubbs in Texas.

Fenway, on the other hand, showing they are very very good at this kind of thing. They brought in Kopp and gave him the platform to build. Wouldn't it be nice if FPP can build us into a force to be reckoned with over the next 10 years
 
The Norton Cat said:
It's only since Fenway Sports Group have come in that Liverpool have started looking like title contenders again. The previous lot of American owners (?Gillet and Hicks?) didn't do a great job.
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The nationality of the owners makes no difference. You can have the skills to run a sports club b n any sport regardless of where you are from. The key is appointing the right people and knowing when to make a change and make it.

i don’t know if the FPP have any such experience but that s the real question.
 
Nordic said:
Gillet & Hicks were like a dreadful version of Crocket & Tubbs in Texas.

Fenway, on the other hand, showing they are very very good at this kind of thing. They brought in Kopp and gave him the platform to build. Wouldn't it be nice if FPP can build us into a force to be reckoned with over the next 10 years
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They have been integrally involved in the Marlins franchise in the USA and have seen first hand how a multi million dollar sports organisation should be run.
Besides which anything has to better than the bluff and bluster of the chancer we have at present who retreats into the panic room as soon as people question his irrational and ego based management decisions.
 
sheepman said:
Wow looks like you made a good choice
Cracking part of the world. Spent a couple of summers in Perpignan
Have you tried the Banyuls fortified wine they make down there. But like port fantastic
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Cheers mate, I think we'll only spend a couple of years here but that's enough time to explore the area.

I'd like Banyuls in the house but it's really expensive for the best bottles ...

.... we were given a bottle years ago as a thank you for a favour we'd done.

We finished it off quite quickly and didn't check the cost until it had all gone.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
When all this started I had two direct links to the FPP lads including a personal friend and someone using the same 'accountants'.

I 'lost' the first and the second is back home in Switzerland having concluded his business deal in the States.

However, during the time I was posting info from them I was contacted by all kinds of people who obviously had vested interests. I was also warned with legal action, for posting certain things, but that's a different matter.

One of these people is a financial journalist who isn't directly connected to either the buyers or sellers but knows someone acting on behalf of the buyers. Another is someone who stands to make a substantial sum, by his standards, if FPP become the new owners. He's obviously keen for that to happen so gets a bit excited as we all do.

So I've lost two great sources that, in fairness, fell into my lap by chance, but still have someone to go to whereby I can confirm whether FPP have baled out on the idea of a takeover or not.

The latest news I've had, and I know I'm repeating myself, is that their stance hasn't altered since September.

I know this post will be met with claims of bullshit, etc, by the usual suspects, but I'm posting for people who know me, or trust me or even both, such as those I met up with on Saturday.

The problem is that we're in a mad rush to have this deal done whereas it's on a 'to do' list of 100 things for the Americans.

They can sit back and let their solicitors and advisors watch the situation while they run their empires ...

... thankfully we now have a bit of decent football to take our minds of all this shyte.
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Thanks for being honest about this. Good that everyone's expectations from running riot imo.

Missed all of the FPP chat but if there's one thing we've learned over the last 6 months it's that the national press have no ****ing idea what is going on with SAFC. They just print anything that sounds plausible.

I'm just enjoying winning football matches and if it ever happens, good, but if it happens in stages or unconventionally, that's fine. If they walk away, thats also ok if less ideal.
 
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Genuine question here so please no biting my head off :emoticon-0102-bigsm

This FPP deal. Is it a case of them not wanting to be ripped off when buying the club that is the stumbling block, but they still have “vast” quantities of money IF they get control?
 
Kip Spinach said:
Genuine question here so please no biting my head off :emoticon-0102-bigsm

This FPP deal. Is it a case of them not wanting to be ripped off when buying the club that is the stumbling block, but they still have “vast” quantities of money IF they get control?
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There are various interpretations of how they've done it. They clearly have vast amounts of money, that bit is agreed by all.

As for why? Two schools of thought, one is that they would take it on now if the price was lower, the other that they prefer to up their stake gradually over time and aren't comfortable owning and running the club from the US.

What we definitely know is that the loan they gave Donald in November has no risk to them.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
Cheers mate, I think we'll only spend a couple of years here but that's enough time to explore the area.

I'd like Banyuls in the house but it's really expensive for the best bottles ...

.... we were given a bottle years ago as a thank you for a favour we'd done.

We finished it off quite quickly and didn't check the cost until it had all gone.
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Fortified wine? Bit like Buckfast then? Looks a nice place but couldn't see any pubs or Indians nearby. It's a nor from me.
 
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Kittenmittons said:
Thanks for being honest about this. Good that everyone's expectations from running riot imo.

Missed all of the FPP chat but if there's one thing we've learned over the last 6 months it's that the national press have no ****ing idea what is going on with SAFC. They just print anything that sounds plausible.

I'm just enjoying winning football matches and if it ever happens, good, but if it happens in stages or unconventionally, that's fine. If they walk away, thats also ok if less ideal.
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Thanks, everything I've posted has been honest when I've stated it as facts ...

... my guesses and opinions are an entirely different matter.

I can't help it when people take them as gospel.

One thing I'm sure of, having been told by someone who would know, is that FPP would have no problem owning and running the club with or without Donald.

They would've completed a full takeover of Newcastle if Ashley hadn't shifted the goalposts.

That info came from someone London based who is in Ashley's circle down there. I posted that info, in a long detailed post, weeks before it became common knowledge. The same person told me Ashley was furious with Stavely and would publicly humiliate her while kicking her offer into touch. I posted that, on RTG, a month before it happened.

I obviously tell friends all of this and more, so don't need, or crave, the approval of strangers on forums. I do it because I'm pretty sure people are interested. Anyone who knows me would confirm the very last thing I'd do would be to betray the trust of genuine Sunderland supporters.

In a nutshell I believe FPP are happy to take over the club and will do so when the circumstances are right.

Of course it's always possible that Donald will refuse to sell or find another buyer ...

... but FPP have somewhat restricted his ability to do that.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
Thanks, everything I've posted has been honest when I've stated it as facts ...

... my guesses and opinions are an entirely different matter.

I can't help it when people take them as gospel.

One thing I'm sure of, having been told by someone who would know, is that FPP would have no problem owning and running the club with or without Donald.

They would've completed a full takeover of Newcastle if Ashley hadn't shifted the goalposts.

That info came from someone London based who is in Ashley's circle down there. I posted that info, in a long detailed post, weeks before it became common knowledge. The same person told me Ashley was furious with Stavely and would publicly humiliate her while kicking her offer into touch. I posted that, on RTG, a month before it happened.

I obviously tell friends all of this and more, so don't need, or crave, the approval of strangers on forums. I do it because I'm pretty sure people are interested. Anyone who knows me would confirm the very last thing I'd do would be to betray the trust of genuine Sunderland supporters.

In a nutshell I believe FPP are happy to take over the club and will do so when the circumstances are right.

Of course it's always possible that Donald will refuse to sell or find another buyer ...

... but FPP have somewhat restricted his ability to do that.
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So is it not the case that SD has moved the goalposts, just a difference in valuations or wrong time scenario. I’m only asking because I forgot that Ashley done it.
 
The Berk said:
So is it not the case that SD has moved the goalposts, just a difference in valuations or wrong time scenario. I’m only asking because I forgot that Ashley done it.
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I'm not too sure about that mate, that's more details than I can find out tbh.

My belief is that there are various obstacles, like Methven, but nothing that can't be overcome.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
I'm not too sure about that mate, that's more details than I can find out tbh.

My belief is that there are various obstacles, like Methven, but nothing that can't be overcome.
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No problem, cheers. Hopefully they come back and take us up a few levels.
 
Smug in Boots said:
I'm not too sure about that mate, that's more details than I can find out tbh.

My belief is that there are various obstacles, like Methven, but nothing that can't be overcome.
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Very interesting period now, form improved and in the playoffs, window open, summer contact renewals will be due, talk of multiple buyers. The mind boggles where this will go?
 
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