Fabinho is a very good holding mid and a more than decent CB. Fred plays neither of those roles, try watching him
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I have no issue with the group going down and attempting to talk to the players or decision makers. I totally get their frustrations but the threats of violence need knocking on the head imho. IF any of what is detailed above transpired - well done to brands for sitting down and talking to the group. Will be interesting to see if any of it resonates with the squad when they hear/read about it
Their players have been getting booed for months, they must be used to the fan frustration/lack of patience by now at their performances. I think it was a complete over reaction by a group of fans to getting humiliated by our youngsters. Why now otherwise. They'd just had two good wins.If they want to protest then do it in an acceptable way and by addressing where the fault or blame really lies - the board, owners and management at the club who don't seem to have a coherent plan. What a welcome sign for one of the best managers in the game!
I agree with this. A football club belongs to its fans, not its manager or players (unless they too are, or become, fans), and imo fans have a right to express their dissatisfaction with the performances of players - paid professionals who should give their best - but they should do it the right way. Some may laugh at it, but I don't think it's funny - I'm uneasy with fans who threaten to "get into them" or smash their vehicles. I'm not accusing those individuals, but to me this isn't far off the mentality that brings hooliganism and tragedy into the game. A sense of perspective is required. By all means send a contingent to make their feelings known, but threatening violence is a step too far - not to mention illegal. I think you're right that this was an overreaction to tamely losing a game they were really expected to win, and I can understand the frustration, but no matter how much we all love football, it's still only a game. All clubs have their idiots, but they shouldn't be the ones seen to be representative of the whole. Fair-dos to Brands for defusing the situation. Everton now have a world-class manager, and if anyone can make them more competitive I'm sure he can. They need to put this behind them and give him time to ship out the dead wood and turn things around.
I obviously agree largely with what you have said - I always think there should be room to talk as I said above - the threat of violence needs knocking on the head. I am not certain it’s an over reaction to the defeat- I think it’s more likely that it was - the straw that broke the camels back type of thing. If the roles and fortunes of our clubs were reversed what would we be saying / doing ? I am not confident it would not be a similar reaction. As we have both stated Brands looks to have done the right thing and hopefully things will get better for them. Booing isn’t the same as sitting down and talking to people about how you feel these players have represented their club. That said these guys that went down could have been looking for trouble. Who knows I know it’s easy to say if you don’t like it don’t watch but for me supporting the club is a very emotional thing - all of the ‘its only a game’ - it’s not what did the great man say So to expect fans not to react - it’s a tricky one I think it’s very hard for fans to get their views across to football clubs Do you honestly think anything we could have said to Hicks or Gillette would have stopped them at our place when they had their claws in we dodged a bullet with those two ‘businessmen’
The only thing that I don't fully agree with is that fans turning up at the training ground is in any way right. Players know they have underperformed. Fans trying to come face to face to challenge them would only serve to unsettle them and possibly make them rethink their place in the club. I bet a few have already contacted their agents.
I think the fans protesting in the stands with banners etc and peaceful protests in the area around Anfield had a significant impact on H &G's tenure. That was a good example of how fans got their feelings across and ultimately ousted the pair.
tbf i think it was RBS who ousted H&G rather than fan power & FSG didn't seem over enamoured at the "Greedy bastards" chant during the walk out over the main stand prices .
I think that the fans going down was probably too much but I understand it Maybe they could have tried to organise a meeting to voice their concerns but then who would have listened. Without wanting to go too political for since I can remember Scotland have always voted largely Labour and for many years of my existence they have been ruled by conservatives ( I know that’s a technicality but just using it as an example) I think sometimes you can try legitimate routes and it doesn’t work. Using the one you highlighted I think solid is perhaps right that it was more the bank than the fans. look at Blackpool They did protesting from the stands and it got them nowhere due to the belligerence of their owner. It’s a really tough topic Tbf and as RHC said should I really be bothered ?
Newcastle have apologised to fans after their 2020 calendar featured THREE players who are no longer at the club... ...Ayoze Perez, who scored against Newcastle for Leicester on 1 January, was on the January page too
