Off Topic Politics Thread

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This is worth a watch. It even mentions biscuits.

 

Clever.

 

Neither of those chaps are worthy of even that.

 

Unfortunately ...........it looks like Boris(the liar) will still be Pm............and then the wet wipes will start moaning about this and that...........and then I will remind them that they voted the twat in.

 

I don't get people. Just watched a guy on the news say he was against Brexit, but he felt Boris Johnson was a good fit for the country.

WTAF? Have people all deliberately stuck their heads in the sand? Have the not followed any of the mad, immoral **** he has done?

Or did the guy just think the UK is a joke and we deserve a joke PM?

 

I thought exactly the same. How can any rational human being believe anything the man says?

 

They don't think and believe what the tabloids with an agenda tell them while parroting them?

 

The report on Russian activities in Britain is being suppressed because it could cast doubt on the validity of the referendum:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...ons-over-validity-of-referendum-result/18/11/

 

You guys seem to think that everyone reads up and investigates as much as you. I would guess that millions of people just cast a glance at a newspaper headline on a paper stand and maybe occasionally catch the news headlines.

They see a “fun” guy who seems a bit of a lad and a giggle, a forceful aggressive woman, or a chap who looks a bit serious and has a weird eye that makes him look a bit twitchy and distrustful at times.

The attention span do the average person is very low.

 

Spot on. We must have the most disengaged, ill informed electorate of any democracy outside the USA. Why, though?

 

That sort of raises the question in my mind as to whether you should choose the chap who s a bit serious and has a weird eye to lead your party. That may sound a tad harsh I know but do we just hand an advantage such as that to a dishonest party who are led by a proven liar. There us absolutely no doubt in my mind that John McDonnell would see Labour at least 2-3% better off than they are currently and as things stand that is most likely going to be the difference between a hung parliament and a Tory majority in just 96 hours.

My feeling is that the time is now right for all the Remain parties to issue a joint statement asking voters to formally support whichever party was second to the Tories in 2017. Remain parties together have 55% of the vote. It's enough.

 

Much of this country has become lazy and selfish because it has fallen into the trap that individualism is what gets us what we want, just like the Americans. Let's face it, the more stuff we can buy, the more money we can make, and the less we have to think about boring things like the environment and politics, the better. Life is pretty easy if you have an attitude like that and when we can walk into any supermarket and buy whatever food we want, what is there to worry about? Who cares where the food comes from, who grows it, or who is working like a slave to enable us to eat what we want, when we want it.

The population in this country is fast loosing the ability to think critically, and is more ready to accept whatever garbage is served up as fact rather than evaluating it and reaching a balanced and informed decision. If that were happening the Tories would be dead in the water but they know that the public are lazy and a large number of them are stupid and will fall for any old crap.

The deep thinking and often brilliant comments by a lot of people on this forum don't reflect the way a large proportion of the general public think. I know from the people I have talked to that there is genuine disbelief that the environment is much of an issue, other than we probably should cut down on using plastic bags for shopping. My own family don't believe the environmental crisis is anywhere near as bad as it is, and they are all fairly well educated, but choose to believe things which fit in with their lifestyles. Rather than look at things critically and reach a conclusion that might well challenge them, they will always take the easy option, because it's easy.

If the Tories win this election, selfishness, greed and stupidity will be the winners and the great divide between the poor and the rich will grow ever wider. The fall out will be huge for those in this country who are already marginalised.

If there is to be any hope for the future, the people of this country have to wake up and take back the power from the political and financial elite, even if that does mean massive civil unrest, or even a state of anarchy.

 

Lots of good points here, but if I can just respond to your penultimate paragraph; it looks likely that, barring a miracle which I don’t entirely rule out, selfishness, greed and stupidity will indeed triumph on Thursday. But most people in their daily lives are not selfish, greedy or stupid. So why do we allow our politics to be driven by these qualities?

Why, when most people are at heart decent, compassionate and thoughtful in their private lives, have we allowed ourselves to be convinced that “every man for himself, and the devil take the hindmost” is the way forward politically and economically?

Hope for the future won’t be provided by my generation btw, it’ll be our children and grandchildren who’ll have to fix the mess we’ve left them. I hope they can do it without resorting to lawlessness and anarchy.

 

I agree that many people are generous in spirit and compassionate but the country is in the grip of rampant consumerism and that is driven by personal greed and encouraged by the media. Hopefully things will change, and if the Tories do win the election, a few years of their rancid government will probably be enough to convince enough folk to wake up and change things. The damage they will do in those few years doesn't bear thinking about.

Yes, the future is definitely in the hands of the young people in this country, and there are strong anti-consumer movements and environment awareness groups heavily populated by our children. The main problem is the political and financial elite have an iron grip on money and power. It is going to take a mighty upheaval, the like of which we have not seen in this country since the civil war, to bring about real change in the distribution of wealth.

I don't have the answers to why people fall for people like Boris Johnson but perhaps it has more to do with politicians now being the new celebrity class, and we all know how the public love celebrities. Is it because these so called celebrities live the way a lot of people would like to live? Most celebrities are as shallow as a puddle, but they seem to have a huge amount of influence over the population. To me, that would seem to bear out that there are a lot of stupid people in this country. They would rather follow an idiot, regardless of the message or policy, than see them for what they really are.