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General Election 2019

Discussion in 'Watford' started by colognehornet, Oct 31, 2019.

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General Election 2019

  1. Labour

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  2. Tory

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  3. Lib. Dem

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  4. Green Party

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
  5. Brexit Party

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  6. SNP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. None of the above

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  9. My legs because they support me

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
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  1. Saf

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    You're mental <laugh>
     
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  2. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing mental about this - unfortunately the British have the ability to chop and change when it comes to statistics. For positive ones like GDP you use Britain as the measure and for negative ones you split it into smaller units. We saw this during the brexit referendum campaign where it was claimed that England had the biggest population density in the EU, forgetting that the only valid international comparison was to use the UK as a whole for this. If you can split the country up to produce convenience statistics then others can do the same.
     
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    You should probably have a word with Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP. They also believe that Scotland has the highest drug deaths in Europe.

    I imagine you'd be doing them a massive favour trying to get them to wiggle out of it on a technicality. That sounds right up their street.

    Scotland still has the highest drug deaths, in Europe, btw.
     
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  4. colognehornet

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    You are making the mistake of assuming that other European nations do not, also, contain areas which either were countries once, or would like to be - but they are not. If Scotland is a country then so is Corsica or Flanders. The fact that they have a football team makes no difference to this because if Flanders and Wallonia decided to field 2 separate teams for a World Cup then they could do so (as long as players don't play for both) - but it would not effect their legal status. Scotland is a constituent part of the UK. just as Corsica is of France. If I were to say that North Rhine Westphalia has the highest population density of all countries in Europe then you would, quite rightly, claim that NRW is not a country and so the comparison is unfair - and that is what I am saying here. It still doesn't change the fact that there are too many junkies in Scotland - but I am also sure that some areas of the north of England wouldn't come out too well if measured separately. The fact is that it is a British problem and not a Scottish one. The worst areas are the same areas which were drastically deindustrialized in the 80s and have been suffering ever since - and there are more of those, proportionally, in Scotland than in the other 3 states which make up the UK. Taken as a whole Britain is the fourth highest in terms of drug deaths - 3 times higher than Germany, so maybe it has something to do with policy - maybe decriminalization would be a step in the right direction.
     
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    Well, that's a different subject altogether, Cologne. I suspect we'd find middle ground with it.

    I don't drink alcohol or take manufactured drugs but I do smoke Cannabis. I visit the Netherlands, a lot. I normally stay in Arnhem when I travel over there. I've actually just got back yesterday. I like the liberal attitude to drugs over there and I watched Portugal very closely with the way they've tackle drug use. I've said for a long time the war on drugs has failed. 50 years and drug use and crime continues to soar. When will we look at it and suggest that it isn't working? We need to stop treating drug users as criminals and treat them with love and care. Nobody wakes up in the morning and decides to take heroin or crack cocaine, it's normally an unfortunate set of circumstances which leads them to that point. I'd rather we open doors to those guys and rehabilitate them and allow them to take their drugs in clean and safe environments, while we help wean them off. My suggestions don't usually go down well with people in England, these drug users are 'just dirty smackheads'

    I've been brought up in Newcastle and I've spent a lot of time in Kilmarnock these last two years. I can visibly see the difference in drug users between the two places. I also hear about so many drug deaths when I'm there, it's like the locals don't get a break from people they know dropping dead after a bad batch. I know that's only two places but obviously I've been to other cities in both countries and Scotland has a major problem. It is there for all to see.
     
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  7. colognehornet

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    We do have middle ground on this Saffy. I'm seen that the percentage of those dying in this way in Scotland who were unemployed was round about 85% - a horrific figure which confirms the cycle between the two, and of course homelessness. The situation in Germany is about half way between Britain and Germany on this - there are so called cocaine taxis operating legally in Berlin and Hamburg also has a big drug problem which is obvious through its position as a major port (actually lived in Hamburg for about 20 years). I do think we need to break the connection between drugs and crime and provide environments which are safe and controlled where those effected are seen as needing help and not punishment.
     
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    Millions of workers in France will today join the largest nationwide strike in years. Transport, hospitals, schools will all be affected by the action against the proposed reduction of pensions. This is the kind of industrial action that would be encouraged if we ended up with a Labour government controlled by the unions again. Labour's proposal to allow secondary picketing again would take us back to the years of strife we thought we would never see again.

    Keep the 'sick man of Europe' tag firmly on the continent, we don't want it back.
     
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    Nailed it.
     
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    Lord Falconer, the former Labour justice secretary, said he has 'the gravest concerns' about Corbyn's leadership after this 'utterly damning' dossier'.

    Those MPs that put Corbyn up for party leader, as a bit of a joke to pacify the hard left, must now be cringing at the current state of a once decent political party.
     
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    If some of the cases which come up here are true then it is quite damning stuff - however, the question of whether the hierarchy of the party can be held responsible for everything said by every party member at every local meeting in the UK. is debateable. With nearly 500,000 members it is almost impossible to control and discipline all such cases, and there are going to be racists in all parties. My suspicion is that this whole thing is simply being stirred up as a stick to beat Corbyn over the head with. It doesn't address certain questions such as why the Jewish lobbies have a monopoly on being able to define what anti Semitism is, which goes way beyond the protection accorded to other ethnic groups. Why, for example, is it racist to suggest that Zionism could be a partly racist ideology because it advocates a state where citizens rights are based on ethnic origins ? Apparently some Zionists can claim that they are God's chosen people yet they get upset when they are called racists as a result ! We cannot allow the fear of being called anti Semitic to stifle all criticism of the Israeli government and it's racial policies.
     
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    That list is bullshit, it's a few random unverified examples of 'party members' saying disgusting stuff. How is it anything to do with the leadership?

    Also, can you honestly claim that no Tory party members hold unsavoury views? Want to bet which % of party members holding dodgy racist views is highest in Labour vs the Tories?

    The funny thing is they're still trying to smear Corbyn with it. Antisemitisn is disgusting, it has no place in modern society alongside all other forms of racism/hatred on religious grounds. Corbyn has sought peace and fought discrimination all his life, this truly shows the right are desperate to hide their own failings.
     
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    This is also coming from Brexiters who got very upset when told racists voted for Brexit. Shall we pull some polls up?
     
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    It is def a smear campaign.
    The chief rabbi is a Tory and a Zionist..
    And everyone is **** scared of facing down the truth of Israeli behaviour in Palestine shored up by the UK and the USA.
    Meanwhile Johnson and his party get away with Islamaphobia.

    So much disinformation... Shows the moral corruption in our society.
     
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    The criticism of the Labour leadership is coming from inside the Labour Party. Of course the leadership cannot be held responsible for every member but it is responsible for the policy of covering up these incidents. It is not just Corbyn but the whole insidious Momentum infiltrators. Corbyn will be gone by next week but the others will drag the Labour Party down for years.
     
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    Not doing anything about the 100k kids without a proper home this Christmas. Not doing anything to provide enough hospital beds and staff. Putting people into the food bank system as official policy. Removing police from the streets making them less safe. Removing pension rights from women and telling people to expect to keep working into their 70s. Prisons that are full and understaffed creating problems when the inmates are released. Teachers providing food and shoes for the pupils.
    These are just a few things that make people abroad look at the UK and see that it is the sick man of Europe when it comes to looking after the people who live there.
     
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    Do you agree with your fellow Tory on this sh? She is a party member and candidate.
     
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    Not only is France the sick man of Europe when it comes to days lost through strikes it has a serious problem of homelessness, people living in tents. It has high unemployment, high level of racism, failing schools and political instability. No wonder the natives are rioting.
     
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