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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

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  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    I got Green first Labour second, so not much of a surprise there. Apparently I like the Brexit Party more than the Tories, though.
     
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    Just a reminder of 1970s Labour...

     
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    Joy is well named :emoticon-0100-smile

    ...and so is Dominic Grief
     
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    what would be the best charity to give to
    does anyone know which one gives the best value per pound collected


    Save the Children !!! What an outrageous scam in the name of children.
    Only 7p over every £1 goes to actual causes,
    with only 3p of the 7p used to help children.
    The CEO gets £234,000 per year, plus expenses, plus pension.
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    Phwoar!
     
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    I got level pegging twixt CON and BXP. Who’d have thunk it?
     
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    Doesn’t she scare the kids enough! Her and her nightmares about the planet has caused enough kids to have Counselling!
     
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    I see BoJo and Jezza ducked tonight's ITV Election programme, showing contempt for the public says more about the pair of them than anything they utter...
     
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    I went to see Bjork last week, and Greta Thunberg gives a video message before the encore :

    "We are about to sacrifice our civilization for the opportunity of a very small number of people to continue making unimaginable amounts of money. The biosphere is being sacrificed so that rich people in countries like mine can live in luxury. But it’s the suffering of the many which pays for the luxuries of a few. In the year 2078, I will celebrate my 75th birthday. If I have children, maybe they will spend the day with me. … Maybe they will ask why you didn’t do anything while there still was time to act. You say you love your children above all else, and yet you’re stealing their future in front of their very eyes. Until you start focusing on what needs to be done rather than what is politically possible, there is no hope. We cannot solve a crisis without treating it as a crisis … And if the solutions within this system are so impossible to find, then maybe we should change the system itself. They have ignored us in the past and they will ignore us again. They have run out of excuses and we are running out of time. But I’m here to tell you that change is coming, whether they like it or not. The real power belongs to the people."

    Went down really well, lots of clapping and cheering. Stick your head in the sand if you want to, but Climate Change is real, whether it's influenced by mankind or natural events, and we have the ablility to make a difference - but it needs direction from the worlds' governments to fully radicalise our approach to make these changes.
     
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    but what did she think of the crushed pea salad steelsy

    Extinction Rebellion activists smeared faeces on restaurant walls and targeted staff with abuse when healthy eating chain Leon ran out of crushed pea salad
    By Holly Bancroft For The Mail On Sunday
    Published: 09:10 AEDT, 1 December 2019 | Updated: 09:45 AEDT, 1 December 2019
    Climate activists smeared faeces on restaurant walls and targeted staff with abuse when they sold out of crushed pea salad, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
    Protesters even tackled a member of staff when she tried to clean up the human waste at a branch of the healthy-eating chain Leon in Westminster during the Extinction Rebellion demonstrations in October.
    Workers also reported how they battled to stop an eco-activist clambering over the counter at the Strand branch when she became enraged that the last portion of crushed pea salad had been taken by a customer in front of her.
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    ="Climate activists smeared faeces on restaurant walls and targeted staff with abuse when they sold out of crushed pea salad, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. Demonstrators are pictured above on Westminster Bridge earlier this month"

    The incidents emerged after thousands of demonstrators brought Central London to a standstill for a week in October.
    Many eco-protesters opted to camp outside branches of Leon so they could use the bathrooms, staff said.
    On October 6, managers at the Horseferry Road branch, close to the Department for Transport building targeted by protesters, opened the doors to find a queue for the toilet stretching down the street.
    Workers at the branch ‘had to deal with faeces smeared all over the walls and doors of the toilets’, according to a complaint sent by Leon chiefs to Extinction Rebellion.
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    A woman in her mid-40s was asked to leave the Strand branch (above) after she started screaming abuse because they had sold out of crushed pea salad. On the same day, another customer was confronted by a protester who took issue with the Canada Goose jacket he was wearing
    The incidents emerged after thousands of demonstrators brought Central London to a standstill for a week in October.
    Many eco-protesters opted to camp outside branches of Leon so they could use the bathrooms, staff said.
    On October 6, managers at the Horseferry Road branch, close to the Department for Transport building targeted by protesters, opened the doors to find a queue for the toilet stretching down the street.
    Workers at the branch ‘had to deal with faeces smeared all over the walls and doors of the toilets’, according to a complaint sent by Leon chiefs to Extinction Rebellion.
    They added: ‘Used sanitary products were stuck to the walls and doors.’
    An internal briefing, seen by this newspaper, records that when staff members tried to clean the sickening mess, a manager named as Erika was tackled by an activist, leaving her bruised and shaken.
    Another manager also reported that locks to the bathrooms had been tampered with to allow activists to continue using them. To add to the mayhem, he said, police swooped on the restaurant to arrest protesters.
    Days later, on October 10, a woman in her mid-40s was asked to leave the Strand branch after she started screaming abuse because they had sold out of crushed pea salad.
    On the same day, another customer was confronted by a protester who took issue with the Canada Goose jacket he was wearing, claiming the company was responsible for animal cruelty.
    A Twitter user wrote: ‘Son pops in to get some food in Leon Strand. He’s verbally attacked, humiliated by climate emergency protesters for wearing a Canada Goose jacket.’
    A spokesman for Leon said: ‘We do not welcome the sort of treatment our team and guests were subjected to in two of our restaurants. Both restaurants were closed after the incidents and all team members have been supported throughout.’
    Extinction Rebellion said: ‘The incident was clearly horrible and we’re sorry the staff were put in this position. This is not indicative of the nature of the movement and our principles and values.’
     
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    If he were still alive the perfect byline would have been designed by Tommy Nutter...

     
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    I'd imagine if you ate too much crushed pea salad you'd be in a bit of a rush to get to the bogs, so a nearby wall would be the next best thing.....
     
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    It's called pebble-dashing...<laugh>
     
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    I am watching it and it’s awful. Both Jezza and Bojo dodge a bullet here. Shocking format.
     
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    It’s time to get real about Islamist terror
    Censorship and cowardice have helped radical Islam to flourish. It’s time for a change.
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    Two things were made clear by the Islamist horror on London Bridge yesterday. First, this city is full of brave civilians who are willing to take enormous risks to protect their fellow citizens from evil and from harm. And secondly, such courage, such unflinching willingness to face down the Islamist threat, is sadly lacking in officialdom and in much of the political class. Where civilians have shown themselves willing to confront the Islamist threat head-on, too many people in positions of power want to shush discussion about radical Islam, play down the threat that it poses, and treat its practitioners as ordinary criminals rather than as traitors to the nation.
    First, the courage of civilians. The scenes were remarkable. We now know that the assault started in Fishmongers’ Hall, where the radical Islamist was attending a meeting on prisoner rehabilitation, having himself been jailed for seven years for terror plotting. Within moments of his stabbing frenzy, people were fighting back. One man grabbed a five-foot Narwhal whale tusk from a display in Fishmongers’ Hall and used it to help subdue the terrorist. Another used a fire extinguisher. Some simply used their fists. They disarmed him and neutered his threat. In a widely shared video clip a man in a suit can be seen taking one of the terrorist’s knives away from the scene.
    Their heroism is made even more impressive by the fact that the killer was wearing what looked like an explosive belt. It was later found to be fake, but they had every reason to believe it was real. And still they tackled him to the ground and held him down until the police came. They put the public’s safety ahead of their own — an incredibly admirable act. Armed police then shot and killed the knifeman, which was absolutely the right thing to do given no one could have known for sure that his suicide belt was a fake. Within five minutes, a man who wanted to visit death upon Londoners was himself dead. A good result.
    This is how we should respond to acts of terrorism like this. Tragically, he managed to kill two people and injure three more, but he was prevented from killing many more by the quick thinking and the courage of civilians and police officers. Officialdom’s advice is that people should run away from terror incidents and find a safe place to hide. But in many situations it is far preferable for those who are able-bodied and relatively strong to take direct action against terrorists.
    We saw this in the London Bridge attack of 2017, when Saturday-night revellers used bottles, chairs and even a skateboard to attack the three Islamists who were on a murderous spree, and we saw it yesterday, too. The message of yesterday’s events was clear: London has had enough of this ****. Islamist terrorists need to know that if they try something like this, then civilians will fight back, and, if necessary, use lethal force.

    But then there is the second revelation from yesterday, something we should pay serious attention to: the inability of officialdom and significant sections of the opinion-forming set to treat Islamist terrorism with the seriousness it deserves.
    It has now been confirmed that the killer — Usman Khan — had been jailed for terrorism offences but was released on licence just seven years into his sentence. Questions will be asked about this, and they ought to turn into a broader question of why the political and cultural elites are so unwilling to talk about or confront the Islamist threat.
    That Khan was out of jail on licence is quite disturbing. He was not just some armed robber or major drug-dealer, criminals who might expect to be released after five, six or seven years in jail. No, he was a traitor to his country, a man who was born here and yet who plotted to unleash violent jihadism on his fellow citizens, whom he referred to as ‘kuffars’ and ‘dogs’. Khan was part of a gang of men from Stoke-on-Trent, London and Cardiff who made plans to bomb the London Stock Exchange and pubs in Stoke. They also discussed killing the then mayor of London, Boris Johnson.
    During the trial, the judge described Khan, who was then 19, as one of the ‘more serious jihadis’ in the gang. He genuinely believed in pursuing a holy war against disgusting, dog-like Britons. It was decided that he should never be released until it was clearly agreed that he no longer posed a threat to the public, but, following an appeal, this ‘condition was later lifted’, as the Guardian reports. He was released on licence in December last year. And yesterday he murdered two people.

    Why was he released? Who decided he was no longer a threat? How did they get it so catastrophically wrong? These questions must be answered. And these questions must not be separated from the broader issue of today’s cultural climate that refuses to treat radical Islam as a serious problem. The decision to release this man as if he were an ordinary criminal who had possibly changed his ways must be seen in the context of this cowardly climate that actively suppresses discussion of the Islamist threat and even demonises anyone who talks about it or organises against it.
    We’ve seen this for years now. Even to use the i-word — Islam — in relation to recent acts of terrorism is frowned upon. Anyone who gets angry about these attacks, whether it was 7/7 in 2005, the slaughter at the Manchester Arena in 2017 or yesterday’s stabbings, risks being denounced as ‘Islamophobic’. The left, including the left that currently runs the Labour Party, is myopically devoted to distracting attention from the Islamist threat. ‘What about the far right?’, they’ll say. Such cynical and spineless whataboutery wilfully overlooks that the far right has not killed anywhere near 500 people in Europe over the past five years — Islamists, on the other hand, have. ‘Don’t look back in anger’, we are told after Islamist attacks. In short, lay a flower, be sad for a day, and then move on — whatever you do, don’t talk about it.
    This policing of emotion and of public debate about radical Islam is explicitly designed to suppress difficult questions. In particular questions about the divisive ideology of multiculturalism and the way it has nurtured a culture of victimhood, grievance and even violence among certain religious and social groups who have been convinced by officialdom for years and years that they are hated by ordinary Brits — or ‘dogs’, as Khan came to view us. This cultivation of separatism, this sowing of a victim mentality, this inflaming of community grievance and community bitterness — these are the ‘achievements’ of the ideology of multiculturalism and they have played an important role in the rise of Islamist violence in the UK.
    It’s time to get real about Islamist terror. No more censorship. No more demonisation of people who are concerned about this violent threat. No more whataboutery. And no more treatment of self-styled holy warriors who want to slaughter us ‘dogs’ as run-of-the-mill criminals. The ideologies of victimhood and separatism have helped to give rise to Islamist violence and traitorism on a very worrying scale — let’s talk about them. Let’s find out why a holy warrior was released from jail to visit holy war on the citizens of London.
     
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    She is such an idiot... never can this fool ever be part of the government. <doh>
     
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    Proof, if needed, that if you open your legs for the right knob you'll make it up the greasy pole...
     
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    And talking of knobs...

     
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    I hadn’t realised until recently that Jezza had a fling with her... explains everything. <doh>
     
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