General Election 2019

Come on SH, give us all a clue. When is HQ going to give you the go ahead to discuss party policy? Just a tiny bit of policy would at least give people something to debate with you.

 

You will have to wait for the manifesto release, I'm working as fast as possible on it.

 

https://www.thetorymanifesto.com/

 

2019 Political Quiz - iSideWith.com
Not good at doing links but this is a very comprehensive side which shows who you should be voting for.
My results were:
Green 91%
SNP 90%
Labour 88%
Lib Dem 83%
Brexit 34%
Tory 23%

Rather surprised me how close the Greens, SNP, Labour and the Lib Dems are on a whole range of issues and, allowing that their combined vote forms a majority it shows that the British majority opinion is left of centre. This being masked by a distorted voting system. Also notable how far right the Tory Party has become on a whole range of issues now the moderates have been purged - they may even be right of the BNP. I was not surprised to find that I am a Green voter, but was a little surprised to find I am nearly an SNP one.

 

This just about sums up the present Labour Party


Beattie is back... to hammer Jeremy Corbyn! Thirty years after we fell in love with Maureen Lipman as the adorable granny in the BT adverts, she revisits the character to shoot clip mocking Labour's anti-Semitism

 

This historian shows why the current Labour Party manifesto is similar or even worse than Michael Foot's in the 80's. It may even explain why the LP are so far behind in the polls. If the Labour MP Gerald Kaufman was still alive he would update his 'longest suicide note in history' description about the Labour manifesto.



A suicide note to make the '80s loony left blush: DOMINIC SANDBROOK explains why, 36 years after Michael Foot's infamous manifesto, Jeremy Corbyn's dark vision goes even further - and will kill off either Labour... or Britain

 

Instead of scraping through every barrel looking for soundbites or propaganda which you can offload on us it would be more constructive to actually choose items of Labour's manifesto which you disagree with and tell us why - this is what debate is all about.

 

I disagree with much of the LP manifesto. To commit to borrowing so much money is the height of fiscal incompetence. The attack on businesses by hiking the corporation tax rates and stealing shares in companies would result in less inward investment, less tax raised and more unemployment.

The promised attack on private schools would result in higher costs, overcrowded classrooms and lower general standards.
Introducing rent controls would have the effect of reducing available accommodation.
The proposed nationalisation of utility companies would be ruinously expensive unless shareholders were not paid market value in which case all trust would be lost in investing in the UK. If Labour had a chance to implement this uncosted election set of bribes it would result in ministers, at the end of their term in office, to repeat the declaration that 'all the money has gone'.

Need I go on?

The IFS has said the Labour manifesto is not credible, thankfully the electorate will agree.

 

Er, how much have the Tories borrowed on preparations for a hard Brexit SH. How much investment has been lost as a result of this brexit fiasco ? It is a well known fact tat the Tories borrow more and repay less than Labour governments do - this is statistically proven based on their respective years in office over the last 50 years. It is the Tories who run large deficits and Labour who generally bring the debt down. The Tories disinvest in the real economy in favour of financial markets and giving over proportional tax breaks to the richest. The levels of nationalization proposed by the Labour manifesto are normal compared to most other western economies.

 

If this is the case, it is purely down to Labour's uncontrolled spending leaving a mess for the Tories to sort out. Hopefully the electorate will prevent this happening again.

If the anti democrats had not created the conditions for the delay in Brexit then less money would have been spent and more investment would be in place. The referendum result had to be respected.

 

Bankrupting the country with a hard Brexit for 0 gain = Great idea

'Bankrupting' the country by actually spending tax on measures to improve the lives of 95% of UK citizens = Bad idea

 

A vast difference in spend amount, are you shaky on numbers?

 

Apparently Labour's manifesto is accompanied by a 40 page funding document. The Tory manifesto will be just 3 words (we know them already) - it won't be costed because the chancellor said it wasn't necessary

 

There's also a huge difference in spending money to improve infrastructure/services in a country, and reducing a country's GDP by X%.

I think our resident troll knows this, but is trying to squirm out of it...

 

What we have seen over the years of UK governments is an economy that has gone from the sick man of Europe to one of the top half dozen in terms of wealth in the world. Despite this wealth the politicians are unable to run a decent health service, provide enough materials and staff for our schools, make sure that everyone can have a roof over their head, and enough money to feed a family without having to rely on charitable handouts. If you look at how other countries work you will find that many of them do tax companies and individuals at a higher rate than the UK, but that money is used to provide services for everyone. Has Norway that taxes the oil and gas industry at a much higher rate than the UK seen all of those companies disappear? No, it has created a wealth fund to pay pensions with, whereas the money that could have been used from the same source in the UK has vanished into company accounts. A great deal is made of attracting foreign investment, but when you see transport and energy companies taking money away to their shareholders abroad, money that could be invested in better services, you should ask is all investment from abroad a good thing. Something needs to change, we are getting nowhere at present and certainly don't need more of the same.

 

Does your boss know you are wasting his time?

 

The sick man of Europe passed long ago from the UK to France. The anti-business sentiment in France leads to a poor level of inward investment which in turn leads to high unemployment rates and people living in tents.

Yes inward investment is important, creating the right atmosphere is key, Corbyn's manifesto would ruin that, we could end up as a place to avoid like France.

 

Would you like to do a comparison with say Norway, Sweden or Denmark just for a change? Why can they provide services that the UK can't?