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Mourinho is confirmed as manager

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  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Poch was the best manager in 50 years?
    Behave
     
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  2. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    Which of our managers was better?
     
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  3. yossarian

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    Nicholson, Burkinshaw and Venables? They actually won trophies. I got the sense some time ago that Pochettino wouldn't win any silverware. If the Champions League qualification rules were the same in the 80s and 90s as they are now we would would have qualified a few more times too. I remember some 3rd and 4th place finishes in that time.
     
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  4. Lovearsenalcock

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    He’s too emotional to succeed at the very top...that’s my belief. Great manager nonetheless but too emotional to make the crunch decisions and upset a few.

    I’m 99.9% sure that we would have bagged the CL if Jose was in charge and Kane would have been on the bench...no I’m still not over that no show.
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

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    Yep. 3 years. Precisely Mourinho's shelf life. Forgive the essay, I just really need to vent. And I do so, apparently, by annoying people I've never met, via a digital forum.

    A slight glimmer of hope for me in making sense of what is a frankly bizarre appointment is something a number of us were talking about in the run-up to the new stadium:

    This all makes a lot of sense if ENIC's medium game is to sell up and move on. We have a world-class stadium, world-class training facilities and a higher public profile than ever before in the PL money era. But that profile isn't quite high enough to encourage some moneybags from the States or China to swoop in with £1billion and purchase the club.

    The enduring lack of a stadium sponsor is telling: Perhaps Levy - usually so methodical and calculating - is purposefully stalling on this as he believes that by keeping the door open today and missing out on £30-40m a year in naming rights, tomorrow might bring in twice as much per year.

    And it is clear that he sees Mourinho as the key to that tomorrow. The speed of his appointment makes that clear. My gut feeling is that when the Moping One managed the Inter XI ahead of our stadim opening, he had a nice long chat with Levy and basically said 'look, if the CL goes wrong and Poch unravels, give me a call.' His appearances as a pundit have made it abundantly clear that he is a long-term admirer of the club, he still has a family home in London and by all accounts loves the city. I personally think Levy's mind was made up there and then back in April. That smug look on Maureen's face as he sat there in the dug out said more than just 'I'm pleased to be managing a team of fat and old former Inter players'. It hinted at a man desperate for a path back to the big top who suddenly saw a gateway opening at his feet.

    And this is now the Big Top. Maureen brings with him all of the baggage, all of the frenzy, all of the media circus. We as fans are not used to it and it will take a while for it to feel 'natural' as it does at the biggest clubs in the world. But Levy knows this. And if I'm right, it is another calculated decision designed to raise the club's profile even further before a short-term cash injection given to the master of short-term plans to achieve a short-term PR boost, and then if/when (hopefully the latter) Maureen delivers his and our first major trophy, Levy will start clearing his desk and ENIC will sell.

    I see no other plausible explanation for all of this. Most reports suggest that the rift between Poch and Levy has been building for close to 18 months. Poch's frustration with Ol' Slaphead is entirely justified, to my mind. The penultimate nail in the coffin was losing the CL final. Had we won it, perhaps that would have catapulted our status to that hallowed next level occupied by fewer than 10 clubs in the entire world. Perhaps not. But it probably would've made it easier to bring in new players and quicker over the summer - the one thing Poch was desperate for and didn't get.

    Here again, if ENIC's long game since 2017 has been to reach the stratosphere and then cash in, the short shrift for a relatively short (in the grander scheme of 6 seasons) period of poor form is entirely understandable. In light of the CL loss, Poch approached Levy with a new 5-year plan. Levy doesn't have 5 years anymore. The final nail was probably when it became apparent that A) the old guard had stopped caring, and B) the new players would need the usual (and, by the way: unacceptable) minimum bedding-in period of 5-6 months (a particular quirk of Poch's style I never understood and never appreciated or forgave), it also became clear to Levy that the phrases 'short-term success' and 'Mauricio Pochettino' couldn't be uttered in the same sentence anymore.

    The speed with which this has all happened has left me reeling. I don't agree with Maureen's appointment and have the same feeling as I did in the wake of the BMJ sacking - that we have sold a piece of our soul and will suffer the consequences. The one solitary comfort for me is the near-certainty that Maureen would not have bothered answering the phone without the promise of significant investment over the next 2 windows. Investment which, by the way, Poch deserved and should have got but - and here's the rub: probably lacked the CV and gravitas to dig his heels in over. Don't give Poch funds and he'll retreat into himself, becoming the surly, sullen figure we've seen over the past year or so, muttering the odd guarded criticism here and there like 'I'm not the manager, only the coach. Don't talk to me about transfers. Talk to Daniel.', to be saying only a week later things like 'I am berry, berry happy with my squad.' Double-cross Maureen, and he will make mincemeat out of Levy and ENIC. He will play that media circus as only he knows how to reduce them to pantomime villains. So the funds must be there. And they will be used to purchase short-term fixes for short-term success before the medium-term collapse by which time we won't be Joe Lewis' headache anymore anyway.

    End of rant.
     
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  6. RRich

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    A lot of assumptions in this response.

    In my 25 years of supporting Tottenham this was as a good as it got - under Poch.

    Now we will regress to the dross we had previously...with years of rebuilding to become a consistent top four team again.
     
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  7. Roo

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    There’s no doubting what he’s won in the past, but my concern is whether his time is up. Is he really so special anymore? Are we simply just (very) late to the party?
    I’m fully expecting a honeymoon period, possibly a strong end to the season (maybe even the FA cup) but then it to spiral out of control in the not too distant future. I just don’t think he’s the right match for us, and the jury is out on whether he is able to do the job required without funding.
     
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  8. PowerSpurs

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    Nicholson was probably better but more than 50 years ago. Cups were much easier for poor teams to win 20 years ago because the disparity caused by the CL qualification wasn’t there. Poch has a much higher win ratio in the league than any of the managers you mention, none of whom had the spending disparity we have now.
     
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    <doh>
     
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  10. PowerSpurs

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    I agree with most of this. ENIC must have a price at which they will sell and the only thing that can get us to that price quickly is short term success. But short term success would also take the trophy monkey off our back and may well avoid the medium term collapse.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    Let's be honest, it was clear the squad was divided into Team Poch (Kane, Son, Dele, Lamela, Sissoko, Foyth, Gazza) and Team Don't Give A **** (Rose, Toby, Verts, Aurier, Wanyama) and it's likely that a couple of players on the latter list will suddenly start playing like something other than a couple of hungover Derby trainees after a night of ram-raiding, but what interests me is what players suddenly return to the first team overnight

    Dier's the obvious example here, given he was pretty much banished from the first team even when it became painfully obvious we needed a DM as it was obvious that neither Winks nor Sissoko are suited for this role and playing them there actively nerfs parts of their game, and it has to be said that Dier's name did keep coming up in lists players Poch wanted to offload, with The Times listing him alongside Eriksen, Rose, Aurier and Wanyama last month while the Daily Wail is saying our failure to offload Dier and Rose in the summer caused friction between Poch and Levy...although that seems to forget that Rose rejected a wage cut to join Newcastle like the tart he is while there was never any solid interest in Dier IIRC

    Lucas is the other obvious example considering Poch was giving him about as many minutes on the pitch as he was giving Oliver Skipp, and the fact even when Lamela got a knock he wasn't getting on the pitch really stood out
     
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  12. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    For what it's worth, I've thought Mouirnho is a **** ever since he first appeared on my personal radar. He's an arrogant, self-centred ****er who cares about no one else but himself. I honestly feel this a is a big, big mistake for Tottenham Hotspur. Perhaps I'll be proved wrong, but I just don't see it.
     
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    A **** may be just what we require right now.
     
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  14. Lovearsenalcock

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    Lille coach Joao Sacramento named as our Assistant coach by Jose
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Carlos Lalin will be our new fitness coach, Giovanni Cerra will join the analysts team and Ricardo Formoshino will become a scout.

    No news on a GK coach at the moment, as Silvino Louro who’s worked with Jose before doesn’t seem to be in contention.
     
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  16. BluefromBridgend

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    I'm coming to the Bournemouth game (in the away end with my brother in law who's a Cherries fan - the only way I could get a ticket).

    I know it will be Mourinho's second home game after Champions League but should be an "interesting" day as his first Prem game with us. I look forward to seeing the team he puts out and the tactics employed. Can't see it being a goal fest like last season at Wembley.

    As a fan from 130 miles away, I was very sorry to see Poch go and underwhelmed by Mourinho's appointment but as with the new manager at my home club, Cardiff, we have to be a little patient to see what he can do to turn things around.
     
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    I'll just post this here for when we inevitably need it after one of his post-match interviews...

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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Jose's press conference will be tomorrow at 2pm. Not sure if Spurs TV will do an interview beforehand.
     
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  19. monty987

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    the curse of the new stadium has it you like Soton, SAFC, Boro, Arsenal, Leicester the list goes on. liverpool, Man u and Man c stayed and extended their stadiums and look at what they won, is there something in that ?
     
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  20. KingHotspur

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    I assume you’re not counting Bill Nic as to compare Poch with him is ridiculous.

    Burkinshaw definitely was better at Spurs and I’d argue Venables too.

    Poch did a great job but ultimately he will be remembered as a nearly man who helped the club to runners up in the league and Champions League but couldn’t quite cross the line and win something
     
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  21. PowerSpurs

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    If trophies are your only criterion and you don't care about anything else then you are absolutely right. In my opinion getting to the CL final is worth more than a couple of FA Cups. And winning the league is what we should be aiming for.
     
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