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Do you still have faith in Poch ?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Hoddle is a god, Oct 20, 2019.

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Do you still have faith in Poch?

Poll closed Nov 3, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

    36.7%
  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Let’s catch Sheff Utd, Palace, Brighton and Bournemouth before we worry about the likes of Leicester and Chelsea.
     
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  2. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Let’s add Burnley and Newcastle to that ever growing list :emoticon-0106-cryin
     
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  3. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    But not Utd.
    The likes of Leicester are already over the horizon.
    A good season would be finishing above Sheff Utd.
    Life sucks.
     
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  4. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I now have faith in him.

    Lol jkz.
     
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  5. Billy The Spur

    Billy The Spur Well-Known Member

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    “Now it’s about creating another chapter and to have the clear idea of how we are going to build that new project. We need to rebuild. It’s going to be painful.

    We cannot live like we lived in the last five years — on the perception side and on the reality side. We achieved a lot of things, we overachieved maybe. Because of our ambition and the way that we work, we’re here now in a very good position.

    But what next? I cannot guess because it’s a club decision. What can we expect now? One question the other day was, ‘is the depth of the squad not at the quality of the new stadium?’

    If we start next season talking about that, nothing good is going to happen in the future. The perception and the feeling are not going to be right.

    Can we repeat [our achievements] next season? I cannot guess. When we finish the season, I think it’s a moment to close a five-year chapter, to analyse, to talk a lot and to give the real value of that period. It was amazing.

    The problem is: what do we want for the next chapter? Now we’ve finished the training ground and the stadium, what does the club want to achieve in the next one, two, three or five years and what are the fans expecting?"


    This is where we are at, common sense says at this time we should not have unrealistic expectations.
     
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  6. BobbyD

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    The worse thing you can do now is sack him. Which world renowned coach is going to want to the club which is only the 6th best squad and with the 6th highest budget.

    Also Poch has a job for at least another 60 games before anyone can be sure that he had lost it
     
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  7. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We'll probably be so desperate we'll be praying for Pardew by then.
     
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  8. Mr Bungle

    Mr Bungle Active Member

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    As per our conversation on the premier league board, both you and Arsenal are **** at the moment and look like you've both lost your direction. In my opinion, both clubs will get rid of their managers, so the question is who will go first ? Because ultimately it might have a bearing on who you are able to bring in next. There is a shortage of top managers available at the moment, so if Arsenal sack Emery and bring in Allegri or Enrique, then who do Spurs go for ?
     
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  9. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    Both managers are at war with their players.
    There's only one way that will end.
    Spurs should have moved on certain players before it reached this stage.
     
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  10. Mr Bungle

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    It looks as though Spurs will be losing a clutch of players soon anyway. Most of their defence is done and players like Eriksen, Alli and possible Son and Kane might think that they have had their time at Spurs.

    Both Arsenal and Spurs need a refresh of manager. Pochettino has run his course and Emery simply isn't good enough at the top level. The difference with Arsenal though is that they have a crop of young players coming through, so if they get a decent coach in, they could improve overnight.
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    It’s tough to say because I’ve made no secret of how much I’d like Allegri at Spurs. I think he’d be a very good appointment to start getting the best out of more senior players whilst setting us up to be more dominant, along with getting the chance to add players in January so that he can begin stamping his mark.

    I think we’re at stage where we need to go for someone with a proven track record. I wouldn’t get rid of Poch for someone of a similar calibre because that wouldn’t make sense.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    One thing I couldn't fail to notice is that Poch said that Ndombele going off injured affected the team, and in the minds of the Lunatic Fringe that means he's blaming Ndombele for the loss and they all flocked to Twitter to gnash their teeth

    It's not a good sign when our own fans are twisting his words to fit their own Narrative, especially since there's plenty of blogs out there scouring the internet with hourly quotas to fill who will inevitably signal boost these boneheads that only lead to more boneheads agreeing
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

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    (Looks at avatar.) No ****! <laugh>
     
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  14. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    :emoticon-0138-think<whistle>
     
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  15. PowerSpurs

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    One interesting thing is that under Poch we usually did well at retrieving lost causes. This year we have dropped 12 points from winning positions. If we had held on to those we would currently be third on goal difference behind Chelsea and only 5 behind Liverpool. We have had an unbelievable number of close matches during this bad run. Only Bayern Munich and Brighton were bad defeats. And the only other matches we lost by more than a goal were the CL final and Chelsea away. The run started around the time we were knocked out of the Carabao and the FA cup within a week so there may be a psychological affect on the players of not being in contention for trophies. But both those losses also coincided with Kane being injured. The performance difference between failure and success is quite small and I would still back Poch to sort it out. If all the managers we've had in the nearly 60 years I've supported Spurs he is the one who most deserves a little extra time.
     
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  16. Lovearsenalcock

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    Losing from winning positions is one thing but what I don’t get is how we get worse in any game we seem to go 1 up in...especially in the PL.

    Some serious mental frailties within our club
     
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  17. Citizen Kane.

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    A lot of it is down to how few chances we are creating per game. As I have pointed out elsewhere, 4 of our last 5 PL goals came from unforced errors - having little to do with any superb sequence of play or pressure we'd put together. So we often find ourselves going ahead somewhat undeservedly, with little grip on the match and most certainly lacking the rhythm or fluency to defend that lead and then increase it. The mentality problem is present from kick off, not just after we take the lead.
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Having an unsettled team most weeks doesn't help either when it comes to the mentality. I truly believe continuity breeds better understanding between players on the pitch, making 4+ unforced changes each game does us no good. I was pretty happy with the side selected the other day but we still made two changes that as far as I'm aware, wasn't forced.

    It's not really a surprise our best season under Poch (16/17) had us play the same team when possible. You could more or less expect to see:

    Hugo
    Dier, Toby, Jan
    Walker, Wanyama, Dembele, Rose
    Dele, Eriksen
    Kane

    Though due to injuries:
    Davies featured heavily for Rose, especially in the second half of the season.
    Wimmer featured for Jan also in the second half.
    And any other injury generally meant Son would be in the XI. If a CB was injured we'd go 4231, as we would if a CM was injured because Dier would move up and then if Kane was injured Son was preferred over Janssen.

    Now if you compare it to this season, we've tinkered between the diamond - sorry BASTARD DIAMOND! as it's aptly named by HBIC, 4231 and 3421. In that, we've changed up the CBs a hell of a lot, with Toby-Dave, Jan-Toby, Jan-Dave and Dier-Dave all playing games. We've changed the RB FIVE times already! With KWP, Aurier, Sanchez, Sissoko and Foyth all starting there. We've rotated Winks for Tanguy when it's been unnecessary. The "three" is often changed, with Son, Eriksen, Dele, Lamela, Lucas and Gio all playing in different games, not forgetting that we've tried playing one of Son or Lucas up with Kane a couple times too... There's no continuity to the team, no one knows who'll be alongside them the following game and I just can't see how that's helping matters.
     
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  19. PowerSpurs

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    As far as I can see, his preferred CBs are Sanchez and Dier and they have only been fit together in the last few weeks. And he has always rotated full backs where possible. And in the attack, we have had loads of injuries and players below their best. If as some seem to want, we only picked players who were wanted long term that would rule out three of our best players from his time here and would involve more changes to rotate Foyth and Walker-Peters at RB and Davies and Sessegnon at LB while leaving two of those (or Tanganga) as our only cover at CB.
     
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  20. PowerSpurs

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    The defence is a bigger problem for me. We have made the most saves of any PL team by a mile. More than 2.5 times that of Liverpool and Chelsea. We need to be bottom three of that table.
     
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