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Do you still have faith in Poch ?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Hoddle is a god, Oct 20, 2019.

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Do you still have faith in Poch?

Poll closed Nov 3, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, blaming an injury in the summer for Eriksen turning into the invisible man.

    My opinion of Poch is sinking lower and lower each week at the moment. It seems every presser he says something I don’t like.
     
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  2. Spurlock

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    He’s talking like a desperate man who will say anything in the hope of getting a performance out of his trusted one’s. If he’s not careful he might be leaving before Eriksen.

    A part of me thinks he actually believes what he says. I recall a few weeks ago how he was giving negative sound bites regarding Dele when prompted by a journalist. So I’m baffled as to why he’s being so blinkered about Eriksen. Won’t be surprised if Levy is telling him to play CE in the hope of getting a few million for him in January.

    It’s the kind of Circus we are thanks to the Clowns who call the shots (Levy and Poch)
     
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  3. Poch is a great corporate player, which is one of the reasons why Levy and the board love him. He won't rock the boat too hard.

    Poch is a man that Levy can work with in a way that Mourhino would be an impossibility.

    We should not underestimate this. Stability at the club, especially at the top, is something we have lacked in the times before Poch, and it did us absolutely no favours.

    Yes, we are currently in the midst of a blip in terms of team performance, but it is hardly a crisis. As fans, we are disappointed, and we grow evermore frustrated for the return of the usual bragging rights. But this is all temporary in nature. With stability at the top, things will improve, given sufficient time.

    Wishing Poch gone is not the answer. Allowing more time for temporary squad issues to be resolved is.
     
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  4. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    You ain't HIAG....what you done with him?
    <grr>
     
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  5. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Because Poch is a puppet who is happy to take his massive wage and let players take the blame while somehow keeping his reputation intact.

    How is this a blip? It’s the last 40 games where the team has been absolute dog. Mark my words Spurs will be in a relegation battle soon unless something drastic happens.
     
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  6. In the grand scheme of things, it's a blip.

    We can see what the problems are and they are not of Poch's making. He gave the board plenty of warnings about not investing in the squad.

    Is Poch to blame for players getting old? For players wanting away? For the refusal of the board to spend big to either keep players or get in the new ones that we need?

    Poch takes the blame because he's the fall-guy.

    Don't get sucked into the media claptrap.
     
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  7. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    Some of the problems are of Poch’s making, though. While I think everyone agrees that Poch has been somewhat hamstrung by our lack of reinforcements in the squad until last summer, he’s also failed to adapt. He hasn’t managed to find an effective way of playing that isn’t a press, to account for the older team. Some of his team selections, substitutions and tactical choices have been baffling. We’ve been awful for a while and this has been brewing for 18 months or more, and he’s played a large part in some of the issues we’re seeing, without being solely responsible of course.
     
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  8. PowerSpurs

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    The clowns are responsible for the best win ratio (by far) of any manager Spurs have ever had.
     
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  9. PowerSpurs

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    The best way of ensuring a relegation battle is to sack our best ever manager on the basis of a poor sequence of results that isn't significant.
     
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  10. BobbyD

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    Does that mean you are blaming levy mate?
     
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  11. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    That’s Tim Sherwood isn’t it :emoticon-0116-evilg
     
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  12. KingHotspur

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    If he could see this all coming (personally I don’t buy into that) then why didn’t he walk away in the summer? Nobody would have blamed him if he did and he would be Man Utd or Real Madrid manager by now probably.

    Poch isn’t entirely to blame of course, but his persistent with playing out of form and wantaway players is wrong, also his press conferences and and answers to the media is all wrong, also his in game management seems to be getting worse and worse.
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

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    <confused> It's been nearly a year. When do you think it becomes significant?
     
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    I see that certain posters are operating under the belief that a manager publicly slagging off their players is the way to success

    Remind me how Barrent Dent turned into a 30+ goal a season striker for us after Harry Redknapp publicly slagged him off for missing a header?
     
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    A year in which we reached the CL final? That in itself is an achievement beyond Spurs fans expectations. There are a whole list of reasons for the drop off in form including injuries, and most significant the new stadium. Wenger actually warned that this would happen because of his experiencing the same with Arsenal. You can ignore all the perfectly valid reasons and put it down to Pochettino picking the wrong team and tactics but it'a an argument that makes little sense when you consider the success that has been achieved since Pochettino arrived.

    So after the hissy fit and sacking of Pochettino where do you go next?
     
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  16. KingHotspur

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    Harry wasn’t wrong though was he.

    I don’t think anyone wants Poch to slag off Eriksen but to say he’s the same as before is a lie that even Poch doesn’t believe.
     
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  17. PowerSpurs

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    @RDBD put something one here a few years back on how many matches you needed to get statistical significance of a small lead in performance. I think it was well over a hundred. Judging Poch on his whole record is definitely OK. Choosing a sequence of results which starts at a time you choose and lasts 40 matches is never going to be significant. Consequently you should never sack a manager on the basis of previous bad results (or indeed keep one on the basis of a short sequence of good results (Tim Sherwood being the prime example). I think Levy understands this. He will sack Poch, if, and only if, he thinks his actions are inconsistent with his stated strategy.
     
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    Only if you make the same mistake and think a few matches is significant.
     
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  19. PowerSpurs

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    He was wrong to slag him off publically. If your manager was interviewed on TV about your performance would you be better motivated by him saying 'KingHotspur is totally useless', 'I can't comment' or 'King Hotspur is doing the same great work he has always done'?
     
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  20. KingHotspur

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    All the great managers wouldn’t answer the way Poch has imo.

    Privately we don’t know what Poch says to the players but to publicly say what he said yesterday about Eriksen was wrong.
     
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