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General Election 2019

Discussion in 'Watford' started by colognehornet, Oct 31, 2019.

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General Election 2019

  1. Labour

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  2. Tory

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  3. Lib. Dem

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  4. Green Party

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
  5. Brexit Party

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  6. SNP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. None of the above

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  9. My legs because they support me

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
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  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    The Tories have been the largest party and the most popular for the last 10 years, they remain favourites to continue this trend. The UK clearly prefers Johnson as the best leader and the Tories as the best option to run the country.
     
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  2. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Please cut out this sloganising because it is meaningless.
     
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    Keir Starmer looked really silly today with his car crash interview with Susanna Reid. He is proposing a second referendum in six months and may vote against his 'really good newly negotiated deal' with the EU. No wonder the public are so confused and put off by this weird stance.
     
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  4. superhorns

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    These are all solid facts.
     
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  5. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Twice within a week Facebook has taken down adverts from the Tories. Seems that we are back to the misinformation regime already, and the election campaign has hardly started.
     
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  6. oldfrenchhorn

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    Some days you almost have to feel sorry for a junior minister being sent along to answer an urgent question in the Commons, and today was one of them. Not a soul from either side of the house believed what he had to say about suppressing the report into Russian involvement in UK politics. Tried as hard as he could diversion didn't work, trying to make out that it was all quite normal didn't get believed, so poor old Chris Pincher was left looking a fool. We see players committing fouls and receiving a yellow card, which is described as taking one for the team. I think Pincher would have been happy to have had a straight red and immediately put out of his misery.
     
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    The timescale for the release of this report is similar to many others, this is a non-story despite desperate attempts to fabricate one.
     
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  8. Toby

    Toby GC's Life Coach

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    What about all the others? I mentioned a few in my post earlier.

    As OFH mentioned, where are all the new affordable houses the Tories promised to build?

    Why has the magic money tree reappeared for the Tories, and why aren't you furious about the Government spending money it doesn't have?

    So many questions...And I suspect so few answers...
     
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  9. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Oh dear, the Chris Pincher of the Watford board. Non-story? It is now all over the papers, TV and radio.
     
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  10. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    The Tories responsible belt tightening since 2008 has enabled them to release the purse strings a little. Labour's unfunded spending splurge would put us in a predicament similar to debt mountain France.
     
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  11. Hornet-Fez

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    You're right for the most part, but I think a "People's Vote" on the EU issue is absolutely necessary. I think that there needs to be a clear mandate for whatever decision is made: Deal, no deal, revoke. Pigs to the trough within the EU need to be addressed; vultures to the carcass post-leave need to be avoided full stop. Any deal needs to fully respect the GFA; no deal cannot be implemented without fully respecting the GFA or unilateral agreement between the UK & Irish governments and other parties involved in negotiating the original agreement: peace is paramount... you vote to ignore the GFA and the bombs start going off again then I will be paying yoos a visit. And if the GFA and no deal are as mutually exclusive as I suspect that they are then we don't leave.

    There are several issues that get my consideration:
    NHS - obviously not remotely safe with the Tory vultures circling.
    Emergency Services - ditto.

    Taxation - the tories have history of serving themselves, this needs to stop both in private taxation and, especially, corporately. A much fairer distribution so that food banks are a thing of the past PFDQ. Ultimately a significant redistribution of wealth is required: the gap is now way too big. Earn more, pay more. Oh yes, and close these damned offshore loopholes. Nothing more unpatriotic than not paying your taxes.
    That said it's pointless to discourage people to not make good money and create jobs: but do we need the likes of Bezos and his ilk, really?

    Welfare - at present the system of UC is nothing short of criminal. Ministers, managers, assessors need to be held to account. People are dying in what is supposedly the 5th richest economy in the world. That's criminal and totally immoral.

    Defence - in terms of the armed forces I do not think that JC is a healthy option. The overall defence of the Realm (armed forces, cyber security, international cooperation) is not safe with the selfservatives either... we need to start listening a bit more to those in charge of our security, not ill informed ministers and their "advisors"; implement the immigration rules already at our disposal; properly resolve the Windrush scandal and, again, hold the instigators and enforcers to account.

    Housing - successive policies have failed, there needs to be a rethink. The current situation is unsustainable. Private landlords get away with far too much, sullying the name of the good ones.

    Infrastructure - chronic poorly judged investment in our roads that need addressing; renationalise the railways; cancel HS2 NOW and invest in the existing infrastructure, extended platform lengths wherever practicable and rolling stock; better planning of our airports and proper compensation for the residents nearby; renationlise the Post Office (another selfservative pension grab looms); profit cap for the Water and energy companies with independent auditing (no, I don't trust them to be honest about their profits) and minimum reinvestment levels.

    Education - a ban on faith schools; ditto home schooling (exceptional circumstances to apply); significant reduction (preferably removal) of HE fees; removal of charitable status for public schools; rethink regarding curriculum and league tables.

    Parliament - pay capped to national levels: none of this 10% for MPs and 1% for nurses BS; stricter audit on MPs expenses; stricter control of nepotism.

    Environment - HS2, Fracking to be halted immediately; Review of environmental protection; Energy policy review with more sustainable methods, particularly refuse incineration. Over the wider canvas, as annoying as Greta is I do happen to think she's more correct than wrong. Significantly so.

    Do I claim to have the answers? No. But I can and do identify most of the problems, most of those listed above are avoidable. Better minds than mine can solve them.
    If that little lot sounds a bit Socialist then that's merely a consequence of putting people before profit; society ahead of corporate greed; common good before personal interest.

    Rant over, thanks for reading.
     
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  12. superhorns

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    The latest poll by the respected YouGov pollsters give the Tories a 13% lead over Labour. Tories remain on 38% Labour down 2%



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  13. oldfrenchhorn

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    So this happened. The Conservative Party took an interview from
    @GMB
    this morning. They edited it to add on the last shot in which Keir Starmer looks stumped. But that didn't happen. In the original Keir Starmer immediately answered. You can see both versions on-line. Just how low can you sink? I see that SH was taken in by it from his comments above.
     
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  14. superhorns

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    Philiip Hammond has finally realised his role in trying to sabotage Brexit has come home to roost. He has announce he will not stand again as an independent in his constituency, the goodwill he had built up had been ruined by selfish personal ambition. No doubt a position in the City with a pro EU company has been secured.
     
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  15. superhorns

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    Keir Starmer looks bewildered in most of his interviews, it is obviously difficult to defend such a ridiculous stance. The two warring sides of Labour has caused a stalemate which has seriously damaged its election chances.
     
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  16. Toby

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    This will be happening constantly

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...acebook-ad-worked-on-fake-grassroots-campaign

    It's disgusting, manipulative and deceitful behaviour. Why am I not surprised...
     
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  17. Toby

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  18. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    What Labour is saying is that they will negotiate a deal with the EU. which does not damage workers rights or weaken environmental laws and will then put this to a referendum - how is this a ridiculous stance ? It is true that remaining in the middle on the Brexit argument is a dangerous place to be because they can lose votes (or gain them) from all sides. They are remaining in the middle in a dangerously polarized political climate - but that is the only stance which can work towards the reconciliation process.
     
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    You should encourage Labour to keep this daft stance, the public have no time for it.
     
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