He has now sent a letter to the EU asking for an extension that the surrender bill forced him to do. The letter was already typed up for him to send. He has sent it but refused to sign it. He hasn't broke the law as the surrender bill only requested him to send it. He also sent another letter, his personal opinion informing the EU it would be a mistake to accept another extension. Well done Boris! The EU will give an extension of course. Will this ever end?
She's spot on imo. Going by 90% of all polls since the referendum, we're actually on the brink of implementing a major policy which statistically most of the country now doesn't want. Exactly the opposite of democracy.
Democracy is delivering on a vote, polls mean nothing , they have no place in democracy actually other than to gauge how a vote may or may not go.
Democracy is accepting a vote when you lose, anyone can accept a vote that you win, that’s the whole point of democracy. It’s what’s holds society together, the alternative is anarchy.
Even delivering a vote that statistically most of the country now doesn't want? That doesn't sit well whatsoever. Nor, admittedly, does failing to implement a vote that the country signed up for. It's a proper ****show and I sympathise on both sides in that respect.
The point is we don’t know what the country wants now, and we won’t unless we have another vote , and there in lies your problem, to have another vote before delivering on the first defies the whole point of democracy. We all must have faith when we take part in an election that the result will be honoured, however unpalatable the outcome may be to the losers. Or else why bother. I listened to Keir Starmer on Saturday, I must admit I’m not one of his greatest fans, however I thought his speech was excellent, he made some very good points about the deal Boris has negotiated,none of which the Tories could answer , so I’m not unsympathetic to your views , but the question of democracy, is an even greater one and not one that can be ignored , I don’t know the answer, but ignoring the referendum or trying to replace it with a new one won’t wash.
Can you identify a democracy that implements change based on unofficial polls? That is not a democracy. Could you evidence base your 90% of polls?
Nope. Didn't say it should be. Nicely twisted as per. Yep. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...brexit-biggest-ever-poll-of-polls-says/09/10/
Would you like to explain further? Your point appears to be that after a true democratic vote democracy should be abandoned. Ah the Standard a pro leave paper. The Chairman of YouGov Is married to a EU High Representative of foreign affairs and security policy.
Britains a representative democracy. The party in power was voted in and vowed to uphold the referendum which again was another democratic vote.
It's the 'wrong' type of research. Of course it is! I should've guessed. Yet no criticism for the absolute sh*te that gets posted here from Daily Mail and Guido Fawkes. Very unbiased there. It's a meta-analysis, it's about as impartial as it gets. Unless of course you think they personally intervened on every one of those individual polls. Which you probably do.
Yes on the politics show it was revealed the research was flawed. And a statement made was incorrect. Another point made on the politics show was the Tories are ahead in polls with Boris as a Leader but the Country would vote remain in a referendum? Yeah ummm …The polls are flawed. You will note I avoid opinion polls in the these threads. This is a why. You have not articulated what your idea of democracy is. As other posters have pointed out the UK is a representative democracy … Its not governed by populist polls. That is not anarchy, or one of its variants as a poster mentions, but it certainly is not part of the UK's democracy.
Well with the greatest respects Rob, I personally think its clutching at straws to use opinion polls to suggest that statistically most of the country now want to remain. Why? I hear you ask. I am glad you asked . Well for starters, I don't personally know a single person who have actually participated in any official or unofficial opinion polls, which includes myself. That in itself show that the results of such polls are flawed/pointless/meaningless, which is the reason why I don't bother with polls on Brexit. That and I have no clue where you would go to participate in such a poll. You should only make the bold statement such as "statistically most of the country now doesn't want" if the whole country actually participated. Really what all those polls say is 'most of the country haven't participated in this poll but the 5% (and that's a generous percentage by me) who have been bothered, most of those don't want Brexit'.
I would also put a bet on that most of those who do participate in Brexit polls are those who voted remain as they still hope to challenge the decision. I would also put a bet on that most of those who voted leave wouldn't participate in Brexit polls as it's pointless as they expect the original decision to be implemented. Therefore I am not surprised by the outcome of those polls. But again, those results are based on a very small teeny tiny minority on the country who were bothered to participate. Certainly not most of the country!!! I also wonder how many times did 1 person vote in a single poll? You could use your phone to vote. Then your tablet to vote. Then your laptop to vote. If you have an email address and needs to enter that before voting, if you have more than 1 email address, you can vote several times. Also can you vote from abroad, which shouldn't count. How many of those who voted in these polls were not allowed to vote in the referendum like foreign nationals? So again, these polls are flawed/pointless/meaningless and therefore its just straw clutching to use them.
As a Remainer, I’m not sure what another referendum would achieve. The only way to resolve this mess IMHO is for a General Election to deliver a majority government which will force things through parliament. Until then nothing will get through as it’s a stalemate with no party ahead. Of course, even THAT might not sort it, as the 2 main parties are split on the subject!!! (And no, I’m not pleased about the latest events RP - I’m just sick and tired of it all.....)
Polls in 2016 said the leave vote for Brexit wouldn't happen, and Polls also said Trump wouldn't get elected!!! Typical Project Fear, they spout as much BS now as the Leave campaign did previously. They are all as bad as each other. So what should the public vote be on, Boris's deal or No Deal, or those 2 plus Remain? You can't have a 3-way vote, what if the result comes back 34%, 33%, 33%, do you then eliminate Remain, as 66 or 67% have effectively voted some type of leave deal, then have another round of votes for Boris's deal or no deal?
