Of course that behaviour is reprehensible (much as I agree with their sentiment, JRM is a self-serving scum bag). But that behaviour is not exclusive to Remain voters alone, many remain MP's have suffered similar abuse at the hands of your yellow vested friends. Lest we not forget a Remain MP was also brutally murdered. Interesting your sarcastically referring to Remain protesters as 'nice people' whilst at the same time again referring to losers, fanatics and a certain whining bitch. Your posts are so pot, kettle, black it's highly amusing.
I don’t think the murder of Jo Cox can be blamed on leavers. The guy was a fruit loop, a white supremest. However I agree their have been idiots on both sides it’s just every time a leaver abuses people they want them strung up whereas if it was the other way around they show it on the news as something to laugh at. With reference to the ‘losers, ‘fanatics’ quotes I make, did you seem some of those people being interviewed? They were saying things like ‘overturn the vote’ ‘ revoke’... how democratic is that? They are losers that cannot accept the will of the people, get over it because Brexit will happen.
Cerny is correct dare I say it. You cant compare a murder of a politician by a loony wanting an independent britain to that of people shouting 'shame on you' for wanting to stay within the EU.
I have always respected a vote. I never wanted Blair in but accepted he won the election. But I was listening to the radio and a Limp Dim MP was on discuss the Boris deal. He said that the Letwin amendment was there to try and get a second referendum and not as people have stated to stop a no deal. The presenter asked him if there was one and leave won again would he accept it, he replied “no, we would try and stop that as well”. I really cannot believe what I was listening to. I really hope Boris gets this deal through next week because with fanatics like this in our parliament it really is a worrying.
An old mentor of mine, when encouraging me to contribute more in meetings, would say that if I felt strongly about something then I should speak out and not be afraid to get assertive and possibly angry about it. So, I respect the other point of view on Brexit. Frankly, had the 2016 referendum come out 52/48 in favour of Remain I doubt we’d be here arguing from the other perspective. The subject of the EU would never go away in much the same way as it’s blighted the Tories for 40 years, and there would always be a UKIP or whatever, but I suspect the Leavers would have far more readily accepted the referendum result. In much the same way as I was encouraged, these Nambyists are speaking out about something that they feel strongly about too. It’s just a shame that they feel more strongly about stopping Brexit than upholding democracy. There is no deal that the Nambies will support. Christ, I so want that prat that’s put himself up as their candidate in the Test Valley to knock on my door.
To be absolutely fair in this the referendum was a unique situation - I think Worldwide. Normally governments hold referendums on things which they, themselves, want to bring in - that way, even if they lose, the status quo is maintained. In referendums in other countries a majority of the electorate is required to be in favour of major legal changes before they can take place - they either ensure this through compulsory voting, or through other mechanisms. Because, put simply, non voters are treated as quasi not being interested in change - ie. signifying the status quo through passivity. This was always too important an issue to be decided by a staightforward 50/50 first past the post referendum. I don't know any other country which conducts referendums in this way. Interesting also that so much has been spoken about the 'will of the people' yet no majority government of any description in the UK. has been the will of the people for at least the last 60 years - never more than 40% at the most. Had we had a PR system in place the referendum could never have happened - this is why a parallel to this is not possible in any other EU country - nowhere other than the UK could the internal problems of a party with only 35% of the vote lead to such chaotic consequences. This is why Tony Blair is responsible for Brexit - he could have brought in PR. and wanted to but was talked out of it by others in the party - had he gone through with it subsequent British history would have taken a different course.
Good post, Odie. Had we had PR before Blair, maybe we wouldn’t have had Blair? Now, there’s a lovely thought.
I have a serious hard on for Ms Flint. Not sure if I ever mentioned it previously? https://www.theguardian.com/politic...constituents-back-labour-rebel-caroline-flint
The difference is context look it up I say One was a joke and a very good one imo the other was a sincerely sad moment for you. Paramedics need this sense of humour imo as I would imagine it’s critical to their job ? This is the real problem with English culture currently imo . Remember not everyone agrees and unfortunately self obsession prevents joy in real terms My father died of a heart attack and fell into an empty bath. He was found in a headstand position. I still find that vision extremely funny every day and guess what I miss and live him still .
Spot on Paul. Doing what we do means we deal daily with grief, sadness and death.....if we didn’t have a somewhat ‘warped’ sense of humour it would quite quickly lead to ‘burnout’ I would of attempted to explain that to Ellers but his post was only there to score some points, therefore I didn’t bother.
I wasn’t particularly close to my father when he died. This was just as well, as he stepped on an landmine.
