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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Turtle, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. Sheep Farmer

    Sheep Farmer Well-Known Member

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    Wish I was confident that any of them will do substantially better than JR
     
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  2. Chunksafc

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    As I said earlier he seemed to let the pressure get to him.

    The next manager has to thrive on it and see that if they get it right there will be thousands roaring them on.

    Ross appeared to think that was a bad thing, more so when it went wrong, hopefully the next one thrives on it
     
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  3. Nacho

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    I hear ya. I'd feel more confident if it was like it was with Moyes where the players couldn't wait to see the back of him, I always thought their attitude was bang on with Ross and they all did their best for him.

    Just a roll of the dice innit, sometimes the new manager effect is massive and sometimes it's a damp squib. If it's either Pearson or Stendel they're both big characters who should have some kind of effect at least.
     
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  4. David Moyes' Stupid Face

    David Moyes' Stupid Face Well-Known Member

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    I don't get the Pearson love-in. I wouldn't be horrified if he was appointed but it seems as though he is the overwhelming favourite and I can't for the life of me figure out why. The only place he's ever really succeeded was Leicester, his last two tenures have been disastrous...
     
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    This, he's been a failure everywhere else, terrible appointment if it happens
     
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  6. Sonnyboy

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    Agreed. However, looking at the latest odds on Oddschecker, it looks like we are going to end up with him. Shame, as I had really come around to welcoming Stendel.
     
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  7. Nacho

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    His last couple of jobs does raise a few questions, he left Derby after a row with the owners and the second division Belgian side he managed can't really be dressed up as anything more than a bizarre holiday.

    I wanted him before we got Ross because of how much credit he got for helping build the title winning Leicester side and how well he's done in the transfer market for various teams. He's managed in leagues above league one and done well, I'm not sure how many of the other candidates can say the same.
     
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  8. one gary owers

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    I agree would love to have Stendall Pearson is just a bully He turned on the fans which is not good
     
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  9. Glencoe

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    That's not accurate.
    1st job at Carlisle generally accepted he done well keeping them in the league.

    2nd job was 6 years later and a short caretaker spell at West Brom in which they won 3 and drew 1 of the 4 games he was in charge.

    3rd and 4th jobs were a couple of short spells 1 and 3 games) as caretaker manager of the mags

    5th job - Southampton. He was appointed manager with the club in crisis (18th in the table) with a remit to keep them in the league which he achieved.

    6th job Leicester, as you've said very successful

    7th job Hull who had just been relegated from the premier league, after lots of cost cutting they finished his first season 11th which was no disgrace and included breaking a 66yr club record of 14 game unbeaten run of away games. In his next Hull season they were sitting eighth in the table, a point off the play-offs and with a game in hand over the team in 7th when he got the chance to go back to Leicester again after a change in their owners.

    8th job Leicester and very successful

    9th job after a year out he took the Derby job and was sacked at the end of September following a poor start and a blazing row with the chairman.

    10th job, OH Leuven, no question he failed here, they narrowly missed out on promotion and started the following season poorly and he was sacked with the club joint bottom. It was a strange job to take and he admitted he wanted the experience of managing abroad.

    To summarise - the only failure on his CV is the last one and maybe the Derby one but a bit harsh to sack him at the end of September.

    He hasn't been a failure at everywhere else but Leicester.
     
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  10. Sin Semilla

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    Tbf, I'd be tempted to give it back to the fans once in a while.
     
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  11. The Norton Cat

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    I don't want Pearson to be honest but his record at Leuven has absolutely nothing to do with how he will do at SAFC. Quite frankly, I am surprised at what people think football managers can do. They greatly overestimate the difference they can make to any given group of players. Pearson would be working with a set of players capable of finishing near the top of League 1 and that's where they'll finish. It is possible that his approach might squeeze a few more percent out of the squad than Jack Ross' approach did, in which case promotion is a possibility.
     
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  12. Nacho

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    Kind of hard to imagine what the big change is that people expect isn't it. Ross gets slated for being negative but he played plenty of attacking players they just didn't quite do the job most likely because they aren't quite good enough. If we were genuine promotion material we'd be fighting off offers for our best players but unless there's a media blackout on it we simply don't get them, from anyone. Because nobody else wants them.

    Like you say some fresh blood might see a minor improvement which can snowball into something bigger. Fingers crossed hey.
     
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  13. FulwellBri

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    Fair play..nice summation
     
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  14. FulwellBri

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    I agree....and in doing so feel very unwell
     
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  15. FulwellBri

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    I realise you and I are diametrically opposed on this issue but I believe we both have fingers crossed.
    Have to say I dont believe the likes of ainsworth, cook or parkinson will offer any more than ross
     
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  16. Nostradamoose

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    It's a difficult appointment tbf.

    The new manager has to make use of the fan's passion, not make out its a bad thing because it'll always be there.

    That would make Ainsworth or Pearson better suited because they could thrive under the pressure while Stendel might not.

    Secondly there's been talk of SD having too much control of player recruitment when he doesn't have the knowledge required. That would get right up Stendel's kenk.

    I honestly don't know which approach is best so have an open mind whoever gets chosen.
     
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  17. Sin Semilla

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    Haven't met the others but I've met Ainsworth after a preseason friendly in 2014, spoke a bit about football and he comes across very genuine and passionate
     
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  18. Glencoe

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    I've thought about this so much I am mentally punch drunk.

    Overall I would prefer Stendel, as he plays an attacking style of football which I think we would enjoy, we need something different from cautious Jack.

    I would add the one I want the least is Parkinson.
     
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  19. monty987

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    Warnock/Pulis for me no bullshit and would knock them into shape, or Roy keane to come back !
     
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  20. FulwellBri

    FulwellBri Well-Known Member

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    You will find a lot of these managers that do a good job ( sometimes even punching above their weight for a while ) at a small club...and wycombe are very much that.
    Move those managers and most are out of their debt when they have flunkies helping out with things they used to do.
    Clough at burton, Dario gradi at crewe.
    I could be wrong but ainsworth has nothing to lose at wycombe. At safc I feel he would be way out of his depth
     
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