The only facts of the referendum were in or out, you should have made your mind up then voted. But you didn't do either did you
For someone who admits to no interest or understanding of politics you should know to keep well clear. You have now come off the fence be prepared to hide if you can find a hiding place
Every campaign includes false truths. A perfect example is the 2017 election. Labour were so far behind in the polls that they had little chance of anything so they had a plan. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39933116 How much could they have actually delivered or maybe, just maybe, they were trying to buy votes? I have never spoken to anyone, leave or remain whose vote was influenced by the campaign. I know that my first ever vote was for UKIP in 2010. Prior to that my vote was meaningless. Whether we had a Labour or Conservative MP, Council or Government was irrelevant to me. Labour didn't speak to me because I had a job and wasn't in a Union and I didn't earn enough to interest the Tories so I was one of the forgotten millions. When the Champagne Socialists took over some time around the turn of the century it did begin to affect me. It has been getting steadily worse. My energy and fuel bills have rocketed because, apparently, we're killing the planet. My diesel car is the work of the devil. I'm not allowed to put my shopping in a carrier bag! Lately everyone is obsessed with gluten free this and vegan that because meat is murder. The young now know more than us older people, OK they have always thought that but now I have to listen to some snotty little 16 year old telling me what a horrible person I am! It's getting ridiculous. Leave me the fk alone!
You could live and work in Europe before Schengen. I had many holidays in Europe as a kid. I just had to show my passport as I do now. British builders rebuilt Germany. - Not as a right and you would have needed a work permit. Post the 50's most countries you didn't need a visa but you would need to go through custom controls and travelling by car was a lot more difficult and you had limits on the amount of currency you could take. The EU can still have an influence in the world whether we're a member or not. I've no idea where you got the information about Putin but it sounds very much like propaganda. The nasty Russkis want to kill us all! - the Russians were hit by the EU sanctions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...37-as-sanctions-and-low-oil-price-take-effect and https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...tter-trolls-sent-10-million-tweets-fake-news/ How have we used the EU? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...it-killed-britain-s-brilliant-global-strategy Talking about trade deals, I'm interested in getting deals that are good for the UK. I'm not interested in getting a trade deal that suits Germany or France at our expense. If you think we have any influence in the EU then you are naive. Germany and France run the EU. You do not understand the EU and not have followed what actually happens in Brussels pre Brexit if you think that https://www.theguardian.com/comment...gotiating-table-influence-britain-uk-brussels I've heard the war rubbish before. Japan haven't had a war for quite some time and they're not in the EU. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41275614 Do you honestly believe that the EU has prevented wars, or do you think it may be that we've evolved past wanting to kill each other? Judging by the Falklands and Afghanistan and Iraq I and II it seems we haven't evolved past the wanting to kill each other but thanks to the EU we have at least reduced the amount of people we want to kill (though seemingly not everyone has ) That is basically saying that if we leave they're going to kill each other. Ridiculous. Workers rights, regulations and standards are things that I want my government to do. If I don't like what they are doing and enough people agree with me, we can vote them out. Workers rights, regulations and standards are things I want and I My EU vote is diluted 10 fold. I may not like it but if Germany does then tough. - We have a veto. The EU won't solve anything in this country. We have a government to do that and I don't want to give that away. - The EU has already done a lot in this county but yes there are massive issues in the UK that have been happily scapegoated to the EU but won't change because the government could have changed them and improved them long ago and didn't - nothing to do with the EU. Much more importantly, are you happy with hard remain? Accept the ECJ - yep Defer power to Brussels - on certain matter yes. Accept the Euro - nope - it would require greater political integration before I'd consider it passing the no taxation without representation threshold. Become a State on the edge of the US of Europe. - I have no issue with that. Become European instead of British - I have more confidence in my national identity than you obviously do. Despite being a member of England for about 1000 years I still consider myself a Yorkshire man before considering myself English. I believe in greater integration at a national level but with more devolution to local levels (both in terms of Europe and local government). If you don't like any one, and more, of these then are you truly willing to go all in. This is the plan you want to sign up for and I want no part of it. And again in case you missed I'll post this; I can give you tangible personal day to day experiences of where being a member of the EU has benefited my life. What tangible personal benefits do you think leaving the EU will bring?
Krusty sounds like the perfect word to describe dbc, 20/20 and the other undemocratic remoaners: Krusty A word for a completely annoying person whom nobody likes but won't leave people alone. A person who seems to radiate a strong desire of hate towards them. Other Qualities: * Barges into conversations * Invites self to parties/events * Sometimes walks like a duck * Steals Food Without Asking * Generally Skanky Behaviour * Gets fisted a lot
Beyond the ones already listed - travel around Europe is cheaper, I don't need travel insurance or my travel insurance is cheaper due to reciprocal health care. I receive compensation on delayed flights due to being in the EU. No roaming charges whilst in the EU. Food is cheaper and there's greater variance due to the single market. I am guaranteed paid holiday thanks to the EU. These are just some basic day to day tangible benefits before you get on to the bigger picture stuff. So back at you brexiteers - day to day tangible benefits once we leave?
From the same website http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/michael_gove_the_facts_of_life_say_leave.html Which is nicely summed up in this tweet
But don't worry there still not lying to you It's still a Million to One we won't leave without a deal. We'll still be leaving on Oct 31st no if's no buts And Boris would still rather die in a ditch than ask for an extension. Because they'e not lying to you.
So you can travel around Europe cheaper, don't need travel insurance, get compensation for delayed flights and avoid roaming charges. A better choice of vegetables and guaranteed holiday pay........ **** me with a baguette, I really don't know how we'll suvive when we come out.
Brits and other Europeans were guest workers in Germany, Gastarbeiter. No visa needed. The West imposed sanctions on Russia not the EU and you link an article where Iranian and Russian sources sent millions of tweets out on the day of the referendum. How do you link this to Putin? The Bloomberg article is someone's opinion on what he or she sees and there are too many holes in it to go through. I will if you want me to. The Guardian has an agenda. You must know that? Linking a Guardian article as proof of anything is like me saying a bloke down the pub told me so it must be true. North Korea fired a missile over Japan so Japan said they wouldn't tolerate it. Please! An aggressive nation invaded one of our colonies so we went to their assistance. I have mates who were there and I am humbled by what they did for all of us. Argentina were the warmongers and we reacted. Afghanistan and Iraq were illegal wars we were dragged in to by the Americans. Neither had anything to do with the EU. The veto will not last because it can't work so it will evolve into majority rule. You must know this? https://acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2019/09/16/only-eu-empire-can-secure-liberty-eu-leader I know Juncker objected to his words but he's going and his replacement doesn't. You blame the government. OK, vote them out, that is how democracy works. Whether there is a Labour or Tory government I get on with it because they've been elected. If we don't leave now we never will so you need to accept it all, lock, stock and barrel because they have a project and at some point they will say that you must accept it all. This may be 10, 20 or even 30 years away but at some point it will happen. In fact with the new EU president incoming I think it will be sooner. You can't say you want to remain as we were but no more. To make it simple. I want to leave because we aren't doing very well compared to the rest of the world. Neither are Germany or France or the European Union for that matter. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/ny.gdp.mktp.kd.zg?most_recent_value_desc=true Sort by most recent figures and scroll down, quite a long, long way. We're just below Germany and France. A very long way down. Oh, and our trade with the EU had a very slight upturn in 2017 but has been falling consistently. You may be doing OK but an awful lot of people aren't. I'm British. British is the only tag I need. I didn't see the problem with having a Common Market. What was wrong with that?
Massive assumptions on your part that these benefits would not be available if we were not in the EU. The world moves on remember. P.S. Personally I am not interested in strawberries from Spain in December bring back the proper seasons for produce it tastes alot better. Only speaking personally but I left school nearly 60 years ago and got holiday pay in my first job and have ever since nothing to do with the EU
