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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    They're a Marxist Doomsday Cult. Surprised Jezza hasn't joined in the fun...
     
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  2. YorkshireHoopster

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    Just read an article that Trump is pulling all American troops out of Syria so that Turkey can invade in order to attack the Kurds. If true that has to be one of the most appalling decisions ever made by a Western leader. Without the Kurds standing up to IS who knows how many more thousands of innocents would have been slaughtered. But then why should we expect anything better from that moron. Oh well that's me banned from ever visiting the States again.
     
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    Just popped over to @MayorofLondon to see what he’ll be doing about the #ExtinctionRebelion disruption to businesses, hospitals & police.
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  4. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    Busier than usual then...<laugh>
     
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  5. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    If you are banned it'll be at the end of a bloody long queue...<laugh>

    Even funnier is this tweet he's posted - "In my great and unmatched wisdom"...:emoticon-0140-rofl:

     
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    nutjob
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Supporting Greta Thunberg is evidence of 'white supremacy', activists claim
    Support for Greta Thunberg is evidence of "white supremacy", "white privilege" and "white power", activists claim.
    The 16-year-old environmental campaigner has gained international visibility for her climate activism, including a fiery speech to world leaders at the United Nations General Assembly where she accused them of stealing her dreams.
    However some are questioning however why Greta, a white child, is gaining so much attention over indigenous activists. They say that Greta is benefiting from a "global system of white supremacy" which has given her "privilege and a platform".
    "Y'all need to ask yourselves why you find it so much easier to hear from white people, regardless of age, when it comes to the violence they have caused across the world," No White Saviours tweeted.
    "It is a SYMPTOM of global white supremacy that certain people are HEARD & given a platform, certain people have access to the RESOURCES to be the HEROES that the world will pay attention to."
    "Greta at the UN was the epitome of White Privilege/White power= Save white kids!" another tweeted.
    Others point out the work that people of colour have been doing to protect their communities from environmental destruction and say that this is being ignored by the focus on Greta.
    "INDIGENOUS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WARNING EVERYONE ALL OVER THE GLOBE ABOUT "CLIMATE CHANGE" FOR DECADES!!" one person tweeted. "There is no mention of them now that this is mainstream. Just Greta..."
    "I'm glad to see so many sharing @GretaThunberg 's #HowDareYou message," another tweeted.
    "However, Indigenous peoples have been saying this for 500 years. So it is not a new message. Her message has political and cultural authority due to white supremacy."
    White environmentalists are instead urged to support and raise awareness of the work being done by people like Canadian Indigenous teen Autumn Peltier, an advocate for water protection of the Great Lakes, and 'Little Miss Flint', a youth activist raising awareness of the US city of Flint's water crisis.
     
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    The worrying thing is, he believes his own hype....
     
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    How Number 10 view the state of the negotiations
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    James Forsyth

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    9:00 PM
    Earlier today, I sent a message to a contact in Number 10 asking them how the Brexit talks were going. They sent a long reply which I think gives a pretty clear sense of where they think things are.
    So, in the interest of trying to let people understand where Number 10 reckon the negotiations are, here is their response:


    ‘The negotiations will probably end this week. Varadkar doesn’t want to negotiate. Varadkar was keen on talking before the Benn Act when he thought that the choice would be ‘new deal or no deal’. Since the Benn Act passed he has gone very cold and in the last week the official channels and the backchannels have also gone cold. Varadkar has also gone back on his commitments — he said if we moved on manufactured goods then he would also move but instead he just attacked us publicly. It’s clear he wants to gamble on a second referendum and that he’s encouraging Barnier to stick to the line that the UK cannot leave the EU without leaving Northern Ireland behind.
    There are quite a few people in Paris and Berlin who would like to discuss our offer but Merkel and Macron won’t push Barnier unless Ireland says it wants to negotiate. Those who think Merkel will help us are deluded. As things stand, Dublin will do nothing, hoping we offer more, then at the end of this week they may say ‘OK, let’s do a Northern Ireland only backstop with a time limit’, which is what various players have been hinting at, then we’ll say No, and that will probably be the end.
    Varadkar thinks that either there will be a referendum or we win a majority but we will just put this offer back on the table so he thinks he can’t lose by refusing to compromise now. Given his assumptions, Varadkar’s behaviour is arguably rational but his assumptions are, I think, false. Ireland and Brussels listen to all the people who lost the referendum, they don’t listen to those who won the referendum and they don’t understand the electoral dynamics here.
    If this deal dies in the next few days, then it won’t be revived. To marginalise the Brexit Party, we will have to fight the election on the basis of ‘no more delays, get Brexit done immediately’. They thought that if May went then Brexit would get softer. It seems few have learned from this mistake. They think we’re bluffing and there’s nothing we can do about that, not least given the way May and Hammond constantly talked tough then folded.
    So, if talks go nowhere this week, the next phase will require us to set out our view on the Surrender Act. The Act imposes narrow duties. Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about. Different lawyers see the “frustration principle” very differently especially on a case like this where there is no precedent for primary legislation directing how the PM conducts international discussions.
    We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. Those who support delay will go to the bottom of the queue. [This source also made clear that defence and security cooperation will inevitably be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in against the will of its government] Supporting delay will be seen by this government as hostile interference in domestic politics, and over half of the public will agree with us.
    We will also make clear that this government will not negotiate further so any delay would be totally pointless. They think now that if there is another delay we will keep coming back with new proposals. This won’t happen. We’ll either leave with no deal on 31 October or there will be an election and then we will leave with no deal.
    ‘When they say ‘so what is the point of delay?’, we will say “This is not our delay, the government is not asking for a delay — Parliament is sending you a letter and Parliament is asking for a delay but official government policy remains that delay is an atrocious idea that everyone should dismiss. Any delay will in effect be negotiated between you, Parliament, and the courts — we will wash our hands of it, we won’t engage in further talks, we obviously won’t given any undertakings about cooperative behaviour, everything to do with ‘duty of sincere cooperation’ will be in the toilet, we will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave. Those who supported delay will face the inevitable consequences of being seen to interfere in domestic politics in a deeply unpopular way by colluding with a Parliament that is as popular as the clap.
    Those who pushed the Benn Act intended to sabotage a deal and they’ve probably succeeded. So the main effect of it will probably be to help us win an election by uniting the leave vote and then a no deal Brexit. History is full of such ironies and tragedies.’


    Now, this is—obviously—only one side of the negotiations view of things. It does, though, make clear Downing Street’s pessimism about getting a deal this week and its thinking about how to handle the coming extension and election campaign.
     
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  11. Uber_Hoop

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    Looks like a very fair and honest account of where things are.
     
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    The gloves are coming off. It remains to be seen whether in the face of obduracy from the EU (driven by Varadkar and encouraged by the Parliamentary muppets that brought in the Surrender Act and thus removed key UK negotiating pressure), Boris can pull off something clever to avoid an extension.

    If we extend, there will be a GE. Until now, I assumed the Tories would do a deal with the Brexit Party, because there are seats in the North that the BP can win, that the Tories, even no-deal Tories, never will. Given Boris's refusal (so far) to talk to Farage, if the Tories will not deal with the BP then they have to wear BP's clothes to get its votes and go into the GE on a no-deal manifesto. If they get a majority on this basis (they are 15 points ahead of Corbyn's Labour at present), expect the EU and Varadkar to lower their demands because a no-deal is catastrophic for Ireland. At least for the UK, while undesirable, it has the benefit that we Leave, avoid future EU charges and keep billions of funds for now at least.
     
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    Interesting times as the EU responds to our mess and crazy no deal tactics.

    The sheep are programmed to blame it’s in their DNA

    madness but enjoyable stuff as the end game comes into play

    For the trump haters etc wake up we have our very own version in the UK

    Get the ****ers out
     
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    Obduracy by the EU? Not sure how you can blame one side over the other for a refusal to compromise over the existence of a hard border when it affects a sovereign state and a small part of the same island whose leadership is out of step with the majority view.
     
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    It’s a ****ing disgrace the EU aren’t booting Ireland out to accommodate our red white and blue Brexit means Brexit Brexit. Bloody forrens.
     
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    Never seen so many white faces (not just the loonies dressed in red)...

     
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    This from the same guy who wanted people to riot? He more or less suggests the same here. Utter prick.
     
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