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Off Topic If we Brexit, will we see the return of SSB?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Blond Bombshell, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. Chunksafc

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    Even if they could come back, can you honestly see many school leavers / young lads and lasses wanting to work there?

    We struggle to get them to even try roofing, let alone do an apprenticeship. They all want to be You Tube / Instagram stars
     
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  2. Roker choker

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    I think this area as has already been said will be hit hard, have seen it for months now in the motor trade and only seems to be getting worse
     
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    Some very reasoned debate on here !
    Nice change to read some about Brexit :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    I agree with you but I believe there are still proper young gadgies knocking about who would jump at the chance of owning a black donkey emblazoned with SSB across its back. Like others have said though, the infrastructure required to set this up will be massive, I'm sure a smaller shipbuilding company could once again operate on the Wear?
     
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    Coal was fundamental to industrial expansion in the NE. Our capacity to compete in that sector vanished along with coal. Paradoxically if the world turns away from fossil fuels, ship building could return to the Wear. Pity Sunderland Council in its wisdom, refused to back the "Adelaide" project, this would have been an inspiring reminder to all, of what this town was once, and still could be capable of producing. Nil Desperandum.
     
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    Shudder to think Sunderland of all places cheering the referendum result. Exactly what Mog and his cronies wanted in order to justify the damage they are doing to the economy. It wont be to the rich and their political allies who pay of course, as they can make huge amounts of money, turning the screws.
     
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    It's surprises me how much the rich can influence the working classes to further their own means .
    Create a seige mentality , Evoke nationalism and hey presto you can direct the people !
     
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  8. Sid

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    They wouldn't be imposing trade sanctions. Circa 44% of UK exports go to the EU with 8% of theirs coming here. Going out on a no deal would see us trading on WTO terms where WTO tariffs would automatically make huge amounts of the goods that we export more expensive and less competitive with our overwhelmingly major trade partner. The UK has for substantial time, well before WWII, been hugely reliant on imports into the UK.

    WTO terms, given that we'd come crashing out of the current trade deals that we'd negotiated as part of the EU, would also then negatively impact upon goods coming into the UK with prices rising.

    Out of the EU, and therefore without the weight of 27 other countries along side us, we'd then have far less of a bargaining position when it comes to trying to sort trade deals with other countries to replace the ones we'd no longer have. Many other countries know this hence comments from the US about us having to change our food standards post Brexit so we'll take their crap like chlorinated chicken and also about wanting parts of the NHS on the negotiating table.
     
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  9. Sid

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    Mog and the likes will be rubbing their hands at the thought of kicking the crap out of workers rights, pensions etc post no deal as they then argue that they're unaffordable.
     
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    Could you please explain the problem of chlorinated chicken seeing as how your kids drink 30 gallon of the stuff every time they go to the baths at about a 100 times more concentration?
     
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  11. Sid

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    The chlorine is used at the end to mask the piss poor food prep standards that they employ. There's a disproportionately huge number of Americans that die as a result of food poisoning.
     
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    So why are you going to eat it?
     
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  13. Sid

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    Come again?
     
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    Why are you “ Sid “ going to eat the chicken?
     
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  15. Sid

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    Where did I say that I would eat their chlorinated chicken?
     
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    You’ve just said they are going to send there chicken here and people are dying from eating it as it’s **** so I was wondering why are you going to eat it?
     
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    Again, where did I say that I would?
     
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    Well how are people going to die if they don’t eat it or is there only going to be yourself and me who doesn’t eat it?
     
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  19. bigmac95

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    This is very much an argument of heart versus head. I will try and give a balanced view but for full disclosure I was a remainer.

    Remainers and some leavers believe that no-deal is a bad because it will place the UK on world trade organisation terms. They argue that this would cripple the UK's ability to export products competitively (for example, a car made in the UK would have a tariff of 20% placed on it if it was to be exported to any country in the EU). This might have a negative effect on investment by international companies and therefore jobs. No-deal would also mean import tariffs for good coming into the UK. This would then (likely) raise prices.

    The pros of a no deal Brexit is that it would be a clean break with Europe. We would not be bound by any terms and conditions, and the European Court of Justice would not longer have any say on UK law. I would note that this would also allow the UK to make new trade deals with other countries - but given that this would take many many years it is unlikely this would help in the short terms. Most importantly for hardcore brexiteers there would be no more freedom of movement - meaning that immigrants would not be able to (by right and law) move to the UK.

    The majority of economists believe a no deal Brexit would hurt the UK economy.

    The pros/cons of a deal are not clear given that we are currently only discussing the withdrawal agreement rather than a deal on a future relationship. It is like reading the blurb of a book and then trying to analyse the use of descriptive language - you can't. All we can do is speculate. It is widely speculated that a free-trade agreement would minimise the impact in the short term of Brexit. The long term impact of any deal or a no deal is just impossible to reliably judge - anyone who does is doing it from a political standpoint.

    To answer you final point you must understand the political situation in the EU. Anti-EU sentiment is on the rise all over Europe. Look at the national front in France, Alternate for Deutschland in German, Podemos in Spain. The banking crisis of 2008 has rocked the EU and it is struggling to recover. To combat this, the EU has become entrenched in its core principals (this is why they are so bothered about the Irish border and any breakdown of the free-trade area)and it wants to make an example of the UK for any other country who is looking at Brexit and thinking 'we could do that'. Therefore, they will not want the UK to leave on no deal, but it will not want it to get a 'good' deal. The EU believes that it is in a better position to weather a no-deal than the UK. Looking at exports and imports this is likely to be true, but the EU would hurt from this (which could exasperate the anti-eu sentiment).

    In simple terms, the EU is worried about its own survival - it wants to make an example of Britain, whilst not being seen as obstructive so not to piss off too many of its own people. It cannot be seen to compromise on any of its key principals which might embolden other member states to try it on.
     
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  20. The Dude

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    Probably because not everyone knows about it. The average person might not have a clue, just see some chicken in a supermarket that is cheaper than the other stuff and buy it because they are trying to live on a budget.
     
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