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Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

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  1. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Right then. 11:30am today, Boris will be discussing in parliament his deal that he has sent to the EU to look at.

    The EU has already stated they like some of the details and dislike some too. However its a good starting position. Boris has made clear that this deal of his is a compromise with the EU. There is stuff in it that Boris is not keen on himself but is giving concessions to the EU (that's the stuff the EU said they like) but Boris added for this deal to work, the EU will need to compromise too (that's the stuff the EU don't like). Will they compromise? Or will they refuse, which means no deal, although parliament has made a law to force Boris to get an extension, which he said he will not do?

    So the ball is now with the EU. If they want a deal they should accept, so all sides can get on with it. If they refuse the deal then the ball goes back to Boris and he will have to prove if he is all mouth or not about refusing to go for an extension or leave with no deal.

    Currently though, Boris is calling the EU's bluff. Will they concede, when they said they would never? Or will they reverse it by refusing the deal and call Boris's bluff and see if he will go for an extension to give the EU all the power or will go for no deal. So far it is looks slightly more positive than negative coming from the EU.

    It will also be interesting to see how parliament will react today to Boris and his new deal. If parliament really wants a deal and not have no deal then they should back this deal to guarantee not having no deal. But unfortunately, Corbyn, Hillary Benn and SNP have already come out being firmly against this deal of Boris. Which just proves not only do they not want no deal but they also don't want any deal. So without admitting it, they stand with the Lib (not) Dems and want to stop Brexit altogether. It will be very interesting today!
     
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  2. wizered

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    In my mind he has already pulled off a minor miracle, the ERG (Right wing leavers) , the DUP and most of the 21 rebels have all indicated that if he succeeds with his deal they will support ii in parliament, even some of the Labour MP's have said they are looking at it favourably. so if the EU and Irish get off of their high hobby horses and reach some compromise we could be away.

    Obviously, the SNP, the Corbynister charlottens, Liberal Libbys and the rest of the motley remainers just want to remain serfs.
     
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  3. johngalleyfan2

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    the problem with the labour voters is they all suffer from memory loss whereas aspiring voters are sucked in by "no fee's / £10 ph / etc /" … and a load of we will's!
    none of them bother with history... when Bliar came to power he did so when Tories had done the dirty work cleaned up after the last labour "bankruptcy" our economy was beginning to flourish and to boot they inherited the new flow of high cash generated from our oil deposits … sulphur free had a higher price and was a boost to the economy of £tr … AND they had £bn of gold bars stored for a rainy day!
    the tories didn't promise untold wealth.. and all the things labour did and have had to put us through the mangle to iron out the problems left by their PM whose associates left the famous note … good luck the cupboard is bare, "and look out for the black hole"

    have you noticed how labour/snp/Lib unDem's members /supporters nearly always break blood vessels when they put across a point or make a point but add on un necessary "emotional attachments" whereas the majority of time tories are the reverse [ save occasions at the dispatch box during PMQ's when they are destroying poor old Corbolliks ]
    A labour gov at the mo would be a disaster, but they would simply smokescreen their dismal failure unwarrantedly blaming Brexit and everyone else ……………….
     
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  4. johngalleyfan2

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    have to have a hard border I GUESS?

    ORDER …. orrrRRRDeeeeerr " point of order MP to the right"
    mr speaker is it still correct to refer to the ERG in plural? most [ all ] have gone elsewhere …. :emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  5. AshtonRed

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    The trouble is John whenever the Labour party get in the infrastructure of our country is so fecked by years of Tory underfunding it needs millions pouring into just to get it back to some kind of order , then they are accused of spending loads. You can only underfund things for so long , it’s counterproductive.
     
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  6. johngalleyfan2

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    Before I reply who are accused of spending loads? ..labour or tory?
     
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    Labour, due to years of Tory underfunding, My point was Labour have to spend loads when they come in power as usually they follow a Tory government who’ve underfunded the infrastructure for years , which in turn means Labour have to start from a low point , it is counterproductive to underfund , and costs more in the long run. A stitch in time and all that.
     
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  8. johngalleyfan2

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    when you go back through history [ last 70-80 years ] you can see the "error" your statement indicates.

    if you were to take over a business big debts that was on the point of "bankruptcy" [ couldn't think of an alternative word ] and you spend 4-8 years turning it round by being prudent spending your income wisely [ often means you cant upgrade machinery/ or whatever ] you have spent most of your profit paying off the DEBT you have inherited you start year 9? with the accountant saying OK you are on a level playing field , so able to say time to replace that wonky printing machine/lathe/ welder etc and use the profit upgrade the workplace, pay a bit better wage etc etc etc …. who would have turned this round? If you said Labour you would be wrong …..

    Historically who have tried to borrow themselves out of trouble / provide what is not affordable ?
    Historically who have had to follow to put right the mess debt has left from excessive borrowing?
    Historically who gets the aggro for having to be prudent to put things in good stead?
    Historically who takes over because some believe their predecessors have underfunded [ because their ability to move things forward was taken up paying off massive debt!]
     
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    I see it the other way around Labour have to borrow to pay for things because Tories have underfunded and not replaced the wonky printing machine/lathe etc for so long they have become old and uneconomical to run, investment in new machinery that would not have been needed had the investment been made over the years to maintain the old machinery, which is why is more prudent in the long run to maintain a reasonable amount of investment, rather than the Tory method of cuts .
     
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  10. johngalleyfan2

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    well if I can find it there is a paper 1945 to 1999[ about 40 odd pages ] by a noted "learned" political professor that would put your thinking straight [ opposite way round! ] . One of his students did an acclaimed follow up as his dissertation regarding the years 1997 [ continuation but overlapped by 2 years from the professors paper ] until 2010 when he did his dissertation thing.[ met him in 2011 in Slovenia of all places, same hobby ] The professor ended his paper with the comments "what a good time to have taken over the government, strikes are less harmful, oil revenues should see the country in a steadfast state for the next 70 years, unemployment is going down, and there is an air of well being!" [ words to that effect ]. I think he passed on in about 2002/3 aged 90 something, so never got to see that what he thought was labour turning the corner ended by their own doing in disaster.
     
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    I wish they would get their title right ................. While Richard Kemp, leader of the Liverpool Liberal Democrats on the council, said Johnson-Thompson "embodies all the best attributes of Liverpool today". ………
    It should be Liberal unDemocrats … bet they voted to sell all the school playing fields!
     
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  12. bcfcredandwhite

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    The only party I felt happy voting for was Tony Blair’s New Labour - before the Iraq war.
    They had it spot on for me - then went and ruined it.
     
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  13. johngalleyfan2

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    ONLY TIME I VOTED LABOUR...……… a lot of peeps fell out of love with Maggie.. but history will show long after we have passed she did a lot of good … like Scargill and the unions you now have Corbolliks and Womble TRYING TO BRING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT!
    It was close on who I voted for … was sucked in to the "promises of the Bliar campaign" and initially with the country in balance and all the oil revenue starting to come ashore it did look rosy. how you recieve +?£qn [quadrillion] and finish up owing £ ?bn [billion] I have never sussed out...……
    There is an old adage "don't make the same mistake twice"
    the world bank must be very rich? countries from all the world borrow from it, and in the main they get their money back with a large chunk of interest ………
     
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  14. Red Robin

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    Facebook comment how true this will be :1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down:


    In 5 years time we will be one of the richest economies in the world......we have the brains, the muscle and the experience to turn our asset stripped country around very quickly. By then the EU will no longer exist and the richer countries around Europe and the world will be queueing up to do trade deals with us.
     
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    What a clown Junker is:emoticon-0130-devil:emoticon-0130-devil:emoticon-0130-devil

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    Another bit of good news

    A COURT CASE WHICH ATTEMPTED TO FORCE BORIS JOHNSON TO SIGN A LETTER REQUESTING THE EU EXTEND ARTICLE 50 AND DELAY BREXIT ONCE AGAIN HAS BEEN REJECTED BY SCOTLAND’S HIGHEST COURT.
    Jolyon Maugham QC led the case against Boris and the government in hope of winning the courts backing and forcing Mr Johnson to request an extension to Article 50.

    The Benn Act which received the backing of opposition MPs last month was designed to force the government to delay Brexit in the event a new deal with the European Union failed to be agreed before the 19th of October.


    The UK is set to leave the EU on the 31st of October and Boris Johnson insists he will comply with the Benn Act, however, also claims the UK will leave the EU ‘come what may’ on the 31st of October deal or no-deal.

    The judge explained while giving the verdict that they are satisfied that the government has made it clear that they intend to respect and comply with the Benn act and henceforth forcing them to request an extension is not necessary.

    Lord Pentland said: “Having regard to the Prime Minister’s and the Government’s unequivocal assurances before the court in the pleadings, in the note of argument and in oral submissions that they will comply with the 2019 Act, I am not persuaded that it is necessary for the court to grant the orders sought or any variant of them.

    “I am not satisfied that the petitioners have made out their case based on reasonable apprehension of breach of statutory duty on the part of the Prime Minister.”

    Jo Maugham reacted to the defeat, saying: “The Court said it has promises from the Government that the Government will send the letter mandated by Parliament and will act in a way as not to frustrate Parliament’s intention in enacting the so-called Benn Act.

    “For myself, I very much hope the court is right and the Government will, as it has promised to do, abide by the law.”

    The government lost a case in the Supreme Court last month led by Gina Miller. Mrs Miller forced Boris to end the 5-week suspension of parliament after his decison was ruled ‘unlawful’. MPs returned to the Commons the following day.

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  18. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Germany has apparently said a deal will only be done if Northern Ireland stays within the customs union. So they want to break up the UK in order to give us a deal. Fuk them. No deal it is.
     
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  19. Red Robin

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    100% a no deal,we walk they just don't want a fair deal.
     
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    The Irish Chancellor has said they could lose between 50k and 80k jobs with a no deal Brexit.
    Honestly , can someone explain to this idiot why they're willing to veto the government's plan.
     
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