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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, forgot to say:

    He's a crook. I don't care if he's a racist crook or a non-racist crook. A crook is is a crook is a crook.

    So what good has he done? I honestly have no idea. I suspect we may have different definitions of 'good.
     
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  2. lifecheshirewhite

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    No one would have any interest in a program about what he hasn't done, look at Jock ranting about him, then admits he's no idea about what he's done, the looney left have declared him guilty and are just looking for what he might be guilty of.
     
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  3. Whitejock

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    First of all, I was not ranting.

    What I did was comment on what I know he has done. A perfectly correct course of action.

    I don't know what else he's done, so haven't commented on that. Why do you consider this to be questionable?

    The looney left may have declared him guilty, but so have several judges. How many judges have declared him innocent?
     
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  4. lifecheshirewhite

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    Do judges declare people innocent ? have you ever been declared innocent by a judge ?
    I would guess he's been declared innocent as many times as you.
     
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    If someone is found not guilty by the jury, the Judge then declares them to be innocent. That's in the UK - there is an exception in Scots law. This is largely what I gather from the media, as I've never stood before a Judge.
     
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    Are you sure, don't believe that at all, if you're not guilty, means there is not enough evidence to prove you did something, doesn't mean you didn't do it as in innocent.

    Looked it up, your wrong again(no surprise there)
     
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  8. Whitejock

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    The trumping legal argument is that you are innocent until proven guilty.

    If not found guilty, you are then by this definition innocent.

    That bit I am absolutely clear on. It is a fundamental of UK law. Are you suggesting that it is not the case? Dying to hear this one.
     
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    You are assumed innocent until proven guilty, but being found not guilty is just that, found not guilty not innocent.
     
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  10. Whitejock

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    So the 'innocent until proven guilty' judicial fundamental doesn't exist in Chesh's world, then? <doh>

    Just as well it does in the real world, eh? :1980_boogie_down:
     
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    Do you think you can get someone to read this to you,stop trying to change what you said
    as usual JOCKS WRONG AGAIN.




    Acquittal vs. Not Guilty Verdict: What Are the Differences?
    www.nealdavislaw.com/.../acquittal-vs-not-guilty
    The courts don’t rule that anyone “innocent.” Instead, they only rule that a defendant is “not guilty.” Being not guilty and being innocent aren’t ...
     
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    Not guilty does not mean innocent - The F-Word
    thefword.org.uk/2016/10/ched-evans-not-guilty...
    The overturning of Ched Evans’ rape conviction isn’t just an exception, it’s a threat to the fabric of institutions that campaign to protect women, writes ...


    1. ELI5: Why do courts make a distinction between "not guilty ...
      www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1...
      Innocent means that you did not commit the crime. Not Guilty means that there was not enough evidence to determine that you did commit the crime.

    wj would you like some links to what pigheaded and wrong mean.
    no you should be an expert on them ay.
     
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  13. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Here we go again.

    EITHER...

    You're really thick & didn't realise that you've provided a link to US law,

    OR...

    You'll try anything, as you always do, to try to wear someone down so you can deny you're wrong when everyone knows it but you.

    I shall be gracious & assume you've made a simple error this time.
     
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    ]Not guilty does not mean innocent - The F-Word
    thefword.org.uk/2016/10/ched-evans-not-guilty...
    The overturning of Ched Evans’ rape conviction isn’t just an exception, it’s a threat to the fabric of institutions that campaign to protect women, writes ...


    1. ELI5: Why do courts make a distinction between "not guilty ...
      www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1...
      Innocent means that you did not commit the crime. Not Guilty means that there was not enough evidence to determine that you did commit the crime.

    wj would you like some links to what pigheaded and wrong mean.
    no you should be an expert on them ay.
     
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    1. Difference Between Not Guilty and Innocent ...
      www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-not...
      The difference between not guilty and innocent is somewhat difficult to identify at first glance. Indeed, legally, the line between the terms is very thin while some might even interpret the terms to mean the same thing.
    1. meaning - Is there a difference between "innocent" and "not ...
      english.stackexchange.com/questions/32989/is...
      A jury cannot, and should not, prove that a defendant is innocent, they need only find that they are not guilty, and then they are assumed innocent in the eyes of the law as a matter of course (whether or not they are actually innocent or not is another matter entirely).
    How many would you like WJ maybe the whole worlds wrong and you're right.
     
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    Think we definitely need a hard border









    Between WJ and Chesh :biggrin:
     
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    We've got one, just need to get him back over it, so we can add 12 foot to the hight. <laugh>
     
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  18. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Why are you sending me a link to a magazine opinion and another US link. This is getting very tiresome.
     
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  19. lifecheshirewhite

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    It tells you a fact, Ched Evans was never found innocent.Because British law doesn't declare innocent.

    You know you're wrong as does everyone reading this, but carry on making a fool of yourself.
     
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    LL serious question for you:

    As you served in Northern Ireland, in the event of no deal, how do you feel about a hard border being reintroduced?

    Just interested in your opinion.
     
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