Calm down dear you could do yourself a mischief. How many constituencies voted for out yet their parliamentary representatives will not represent their out vote.
Calm. tranquil thoughts, we are all adopting a friendlier attitude in the interests of peace, harmony and a better climate.
Here's one on the left please log in to view this image His constituency voted leave yet three times he's voted against a deal that would have meant we would have left the EU.
And joining other party's is the best way to represent there constituents ? tell me as not one person voted for the new Liberal MPs, who are they representing apart from themselves.
Genuine question. If you commit to not leaving without a deal how do you get that deal when the opposition (EU) knows this so may as well continue with the status quo and continue to take our money. Basic principal of negotiating is not to show your cards in the opening round of negotiations. Elementary
It was good enough for Mogg and Johnson and we would have def left the EU. But it wasn't good enough for Bridgen and other leavers so as representatives they made their judgement on behalf of their constituents.
It's about time everyone stopped going round in circles and accepted that the referendum voted out. We could be here for ever and a day at this rate and I am not convinced that a GE will sort anything out.
This is how I see the no deal negotiating ploy, exaggerated a bit to make the point. "I'm going to kill myself if you don't give me what I want" i.e not negotiation but ultimatum
That's the basic principle of Trump style oppositional style negotiation where you have a winner and a loser. It's not exactly the best way to approach this kind of deal where lets face it we known the EU very well and they know us and whatever happens we're going to be working very closely with them in the future.
So how would you negotiate to get a workable deal. You see you had to spoil yourself by going for the over kill
A GE is not going to solve anything (unless it is a Tory majority or a Tory/Brexit party pact majority). They only way this thing is likely to get solved is a negotiated deal gets put to a 2nd ref.
I know, kill was too strong but the added bit to my post is to try and explain that the UK is using an ultimatum in lieu of negotiation.
But was more making the point that even ardent Brexiteers here can support representative democracy. You're supporting an MP using their personal judgement to oppose their party and party policy for what they think is in the best interests of their constituents.
In a deal, as you know, you will never get everything you want. I suppose the best description is that the parties to an agreed deal feel equally aggrieved.
And to add a basic principle of trade deal is the bigger the economy the bigger the hand they have. Which is why Thatcher could yield her handbag within the EU but why our hand is weaker when negotiaiting against the EU as a block.
Even if we had a second ref I am not convinced that those MP's on the losing side which ever way it went would accept the result. Not that I believe in a second ref
2p. It’s the difference between a representative and a delegate. With a representative you vote for them. They then do what they want, not necessarily what you want. If you don’t like it, you vote for someone else next time. A delegate is someone sent to vote for something on your behalf. The problem with delegates is, it’s not really practical to have public votes on every act of parliament or every vote in the commons. Hence we have representatives.
No it's ok to believe in them they def exist. Like we had a ref on Europe in 1975 and then again in 2016. But if we have an election now and return a hung divided parliment again - then what do you think will be the route out of it?
