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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the vote was democratic, but the fact is that most seem to forget that this vote was advisory, & not legally binding. Given it's vague wording, it would never have been upheld as legally binding anyway, even if intended.

    Approximately 17m out of a 46m population voted for it. That's about 37%, or 52% of those who actually voted.

    All of you people that bang on about the referendum result & it's validity should check out the Cunningham Amendment (Scotland Act 1978), which required a vote of 40% of the total Scottish electorate to vote yes for devolution - not a simple majority of those that took the time to vote. A majority was achieved, but 40% not reached.

    If, in the interests of democratic fairness, the '40% rule' was applied to ALL referendums, then the EU Leave vote would have failed, only managing to attract 37%.

    If you're still awake, the key point that has not been considered is the legal standing of the vote. The Scottish Devolution attracted this 40% amendment because it was legally binding, and I'm guessing Parliament just didn't want the populace to decide something that they considered to be their piece of the game. That is almost certainly why this latest referendum was advisory only - making it legally binding would have almost certainly attracted a different outcome.
     
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  2. lifecheshirewhite

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    You are missing the point that the government said the result would be acted upon,so it wasn't advisory at all,parliament promised to uphold the result, and voted for it when they voted for artical 50 with no deal as the fall back option if nothing agreed.
     
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  4. Whitejock

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    I'm not missing the point - it is most certainly not legally binding. For a start, it's too vague. It was a vote on a notion, not any detail. Btw, FYI, Scotland voted more than 40% for Remain!
     
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    The vote was a UK vote, what any single area voted is irrelevant.
     
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  6. Whitejock

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    Scotland is a country, not an area. Typical english Imperialist description. <doh>
     
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    You're right of course but then of course what was promised has not been delivered because in part it was undeliverable promises. So it will not be undemocratic to go back to the people and say this is the reality do you still want it.

    And Leave may still win that vote and if it did I would be very unhappy and think it a dreadful decision but I would suck it up and either leave the country or stay and get behind it - because that would be fair and democratic.
     
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    Boy, these guys are quick ....

     
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    In a UK vote it's an area, only the total votes are of any importance.
    How any town, city, county or country voted is irrelevant.
     
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    The promises were very much deliverable, they were rejected because a Communist leader didn't vote on any EU motion, but tried to wreck the country in the hope of getting power himself, Hitler esk.
     
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    Any specifics on what was deliverable and what was rejected by the 'communist' leader?
     
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    Any and everything was deliverable, only the spineless backstabbers thought different, but with a bit of luck Boris will sort them all out. Modern Winston Churchill that lad, when the labour/lib cowerds are flying the white flags, he will bring Victory.
     
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    He's slightly fat, a tory and a racist and then after that the similarities end
     
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    Can just see the picture now, Boris with a cigar giving the Victoty sign on the 1st of November.
     
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    Yep as to be fair he'll probably have nothing else to do where ever he happens to be living come 1 November
     
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    Sure he won't be bitter, but 1st of November should be a day for him to sort out the dole payments for the judges and speaker of the house.
    While Corbyn will probably go to Cuba to be with his voters.
     
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    Despite what you say, Scotland remains a country, not an area. I can imagine you turning cartwheels if Junker calls england an area - which going bu your argument is perfectly acceptable.
     
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    Approximately 16 m out of a 46m population voted against it. Thats about 35% or 48% of those that bothered to vote.
    In Scotland just over 1m voted to leave out of 4 m population, roughly 25% or 33% of those who bothered to vote.
    Approximately 1.6m voted to remain under EU rule, which is roughly 55% or 40% of those that could vote.
    When you crunch the figures down 600k more Scots voted to remain, that is half the figure of the total majority that voted too leave, to be blunt 1.6m Scots are holding this nation back.
     
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    I was being kind to you, saying its an irrelevant area,of course it's an irrelevant country then as well if you want. I did notice the latest Scotland independance poll at the W/E 60% want to remain as part of the UK, looks like Jimmy Crankie is ****ing it up again. <ok>
     
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    In other words David Cameron and his crew f--ked up again. To my simple mind if you ask a question you should be bound by the result just set the rules first. It's a bit like the EFL which has rules that can be interpreted any way that the EFL want and fu-k the fans. We were lead to believe that the the referendum was an in or out vote the vote was for out, if any political party wants a referendum and does not want to be bound by the result then my answere is don't have a referendum in the first place. I've got better things to do with my time than contributing to a meaningless vote.
     
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