Exactly, stats are pretty meaningless. I'm sure we all remember Reading under Stam 70%possession most games, problem 80% of that was in their own half
You make a good point about playing without a no'10...Bielsa has forgone this position to get Forshaw into the team alongside Phillips as it provides a strong engine room which he obviously likes. With regard to Douglas it just isn't working for him at the moment and I favour 1964's suggestion of Ayling and Dallas at full back. I was no fan of Dallas for most of last season but he has totally won me over with his consistent displays, not just his attacking but also his defensive discipline.
Respectfully Gessa, Bamfords 62.5% shots off target, or just whistled past the post, or hit the post mean absolutely eff all, if they don't go in, it's a miss, from any angle or distance. I thought you didn't take too much notice of stats cos they mean feck all, yet here you are quoting Bamfords near misses stats.
Forshaw doesn't play alongside Phillips, he plays in front of Phillips in an AM role along side Klich and Pablo. Totally agree about Douglas.
I was explaining why i take no notice of them, they never show the whole picture. I remember when data first started and we played M'boro at home, they had Batty down as making 5 tackles in the whole game, he made that in the first 10 minutes, stats are misleading and not always true.
If you like stats. @LUFCDATA. 9th September Kalvin Phillips has won 28 tackles, more than any other championship player. Kalvin has also made the most passes(403) more than any other championship midfielder this season. Phillips stats v Barnsley. 98 touches(most on pitch) 52/70 passes(most on pitch) 11 long ball passes 7 ball recoveries 4 tackles won 3 chances created 3 aerial duals won 1 blocked shot 1 assist
Alongside...as in working together and co-operating as part of the same midfield. Perhaps you should try to not be too rigid in your thinking and consider more possibilities before pronouncing on others comments.
I think you'll find that Captain Jackboot will declare that you're an idiot, with no malice, of course. It's absolutely clear that all of the above was either accidental, lucky, being in the right place because he's too slow to move anywhere else, or simply recovering from the mistakes he's made himself. It's not your fault that you're an uneducated fool, Gessa - you've obviously been listening to the EU & the Labour. No malice intended, of course. Bw, these stats are rubbish anyway. If they were true they'd be on You Tube with a robotic voice. (Btw, Gessa, there's history here from before you joined, that I think you missed. During Wood's excellent year, every single one of his goals was an accident, mishit, luck, or rebound. He was torn apart & declared as the worst striker we'd ever had, & if we'd kept Antenucci, he'd have scored twice as many goals, especially if we'd retained Adryan. I kid you not. Ask anyone. There were other equally ridiculous rants about successful players, often suggesting that one of our dicks was the second coming & should play instead. The guy is totally deluded & eventually rips into anyone that calls him out. I'm blocked by him, so he can't see this. Which is just as well as my day was being spent reading umpteen essay-length diatribes to any post I made, no matter how short. Be careful out there .... ).
They don't work together in same midfield, different positions means different roles. Maybe you should learn what "a good command of the english language" means, so people know what you're on about. For the record, wasn't having a go at you, but hey, you are who you are jammy.
I'm guessing he doesn't know that you're an English Language Professor, @Jammy 07. How embarrassing for him when he finds out - for the record?
Like you said, stats don't show the whole picture, but why just Barnsley, where's all the other games, like the draws, and the loss. Plenty of left and right sideways passes, backwards, back to keeper and back to the original passer passes are going to make up a big chunk of those so called 403 passes. Now, do those stats also include the passes that don't reach their destination. I've said this before, if me and you stood there passing ball to each other, the stats are going to look great. 28 tackles in 10 league and cup games, that's an average of 2.8 tackles per game. What's he doing for the other 90 minutes. Do the stats also show how many times he was dispossessed, or tackled himself, or how many times he lost the ball. Only 4 tackles won against Barnsley, he didn't win all the other tackles, did he. 98 touches (most on pitch) so what was he doing with ball off the pitch. 52/70 passes (most on pitch) what was he doing off the pitch with the rest, practicing passing forwards.. 1 blocked shot in 90 minutes. What was he doing for the other 89 minutes. I could go on. For someone who takes no notice of stats you're certainly intent on displaying a few, that you obviously believe in cos you're trying to ram'em down my throat..
You fail to understand that personnel can work alongside each other in teams, with differing roles and responsibilities without being horizontally aligned or directly being seated next to each other. If you wish me to say that you are correct and Phillips plays deeper then Forshaw, then I don't think anyone, anywhere on planet earth, would disagree with that assessment. They do however still play alongside each other.
I agree the stats are pointless as they don't show the whole picture, I'm so glad you agree with me, hence my point about your Bamford/Nketiah comparison stats being just as pointless, you were happy to take those on face value but then start to pick apart the Phillips ones, which shows your prejudice, not ramming anything down your throat (oooh missus) just using them as a counter arguement, as you seem obsessed with them , I've never used stats before and the Barnsley one's were the only ones I could find, but if I found others including the defeat and draws I'm sure they would show a very similar picture, as did the stats upto the 9th of September, you forgot to rip those apart. Tbh you stating he made 1 block, so what was he doing for the other 89 minutes just shows you up as being a little ridiculous, he had one assist too, so it was 88 minutes he did nothing else. Ffs
Nope, they don't, even though their paths may cross occasionally. What YOU fail to understand is that personal cannot work alongside each other cos personal is an individual word used by individuals in an individual context.......English my boy, English.
If you're using them as a counter argument, you're using them as a tool to justify your points you are trying to make, therefore, you obviously believe the stats. Phillips stats don't add up, after 8 games Bamfords and Nikitas do. "he had one assist too, so it was 88 minutes he did nothing else.".......agreed, nothing of much importance anyway.
No, I don't believe the stats, not once did I say I did. Infact the opposite. "Phillips stats don't add up but Bamford and Nketiah's do", jesus man, do you realise what you look like, talk about being selective. Now I know it's pointless debating with you. I used to have a brother in law that would state the most ridiculous things, for 2 reasons, 1) to get a reaction,2) it was the only way he could get folk to converse with him, he was a bluenose but I wouldn't put it past him to pretend to support another team or 2 to satisfy his desires. It's not you is it Don? Ps it's Nketiah not Nikitas, didn't you try to get one up on someone for spelling personnel as personal, at least they were close.
A sure fire way of knowing someone is losing their argument, picking folks up on their spelling or grammar mistakes.
