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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Spurf

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    Statistics are your security blanket, maybe it's because it's the only thing you are any good at (I don't know) Describing History as moot exposes your position and reliance on stats. The fact that you as an individual can not learn from history is not the fault of history. Stats tell you the result of an election but nothing about why it came out that way, that's where history is needed. Frankly trying to talk about the UK system using only stats is a complete waste of time IMO, stats have their place but you need to address the bigger picture if you are to have any understanding.
     
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  2. The RDBD

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    Statistics loves history, that is why you have the term "historical data" .


    "Stats tell you the result of an election but nothing about why it came out that way, that's where history is needed.
    Frankly trying to talk about the UK system using only stats is a complete waste of time IMO, stats have their place
    but you need to address the bigger picture if you are to have any understanding."

    All you have shown is that you cannot talk in terms of the whats.
    Actually worse than that, you appear to refuse to even seek the whats
    in order to better aid in understanding the whys.
     
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  3. Spurf

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    If you think I have said that then it really is a complete waste of time continuing this debate.

    COYS
     
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  4. Spudulike

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    Not Jess Phillips' biggest fan but I'm struggling to disagree with this. Tickled me if I'm honest.



    As for John Bercow, that's an entirely different matter...
     
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  5. bigsmithy9

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    Would you say a knighthood is out of date today?
     
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    It's a useful tool for noting who buys off politicians.
     
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  7. Spudulike

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    Ask Ollie Robbins. I'm sure it will at least help him negotiate a better salary at Goldman Sachs.
     
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  8. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    One of my neighbours had a Lordship bought for him about 10 years ago, as a bit of a joke. His given name is Fred. He's a floor layer, likes a pint or two and is a nice bloke. Occasionally, he goes by the epithet 'Lord Chelmsford'.

    I asked him if he got treated any differently as his alter-ego. Apparently, it still makes a huge difference and he always books hotels, flights, etc as 'His Lordship' and is regularly given upgrades.

    We are still a class conscious society , more's the pity.
     
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    So you're saying that we should change the mod titles to Forum Aristocracy? I'll have a word...
     
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    Lord Fred. ummm. Kind of looks appealing down the boozer. "I say old chap.Get your ****ing round in!"
     
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    That's "Get your ****ing round in, your Lordship!" to the likes of you and me, Smithy.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    In terms of trusting your MP, let me bring up something that sums up my local (Tory...) MP

    Near my house there's three streets which run parallel to one another
    * The top street is the one my MP lives on, and if there's a pothole it's filled within days
    * The middle street is where the polling station is, and if there's a pothole it's filled within days
    * The bottom street is the one behind the station, and if there's a pothole the residents give it a name as it's going to be there for a while

    This is what people don't realise about the rise of the SNP: they're damn good constituency MPs, for example Ian Blackford doesn't fob off his constituents with standard letters but will actually call at their homes if they raise an issue, be it by phone or in person, and when you consider the size of his Ross, Skye & Lochaber constituency that makes his commitment all the more impressive - and yet how many people can say that about their local MPs? For example, as RBDB has pointed out in the past, Joan Ryan is his local MP and the people of Enfield North spoke of her in much the same way that they speak of the Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot, given they've been seen as often as she ever was...although I will point out that my sister's MP has a long record of being a great constituency MP, and I believe you may have heard of the bloke
     
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  13. Spurf

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    It is very different in Scotland politicians are accessable and available.
     
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  14. humanbeingincroydon

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    That doesn't fit in with most stereotypes of Scots...
     
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  15. Spudulike

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    Ross, Skye & Lochaber (Est. Population): 39,000
    Croydon (Est. Population): 390,000

    Might explain a few things. Just sayin' :emoticon-0143-smirk
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Croydon's divided up into three constituencies, or to put it another way...
    Croydon North: 146,065
    Croydon Central: 121,087
    Croydon South: 117,685

    So of course, I live in the only Tory constituency of the three...
     
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  17. Spudulike

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    It's still three times to population of Ross, Skye & Lochaber in a vastly smaller space. All those people compressed into a smaller area will naturally cause far greater demands on local infrastructure. I can imagine the roads around there take a hammering compared to way up in north west Scotland.

    Just sayin'... :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    The fact that my MP can't even be bothered to get potholes fixed for people who live two streets away from him, which is less than three minutes walk from his house, says a lot more to me

    Also, when you do side-by-side comparisons, it becomes more clear
    Croydon South: 117,685, never see the bugger - and I walk past his house at least once a day
    Islington North: 116,074, actually seen even though he's a bit busy as Leader of the Opposition
    Batley & Spen: 111,539, actually seen on the streets...until a member of Britain First murdered her
    Uxbridge & West Ruislip: 110,148, only ever seen the bugger on TV - even when he wasn't in the cabinet
    Enfield North: 109,930, never see the bugger let alone know what party she's in this week
     
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  19. Spurf

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    You are quite right less people makes a huge difference in the accessibility of government and everything else although the greater distances do have their own problems

    I'd perhaps disagree about the roads though, the weather more than makes up for the greater numbers.
     
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  20. Spudulike

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    Pretty sure local councils and the highways agency are in charge of road maintenance.
     
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