That worked out so well last time. What there should be is a 2nd say on leaving the EU, especially as the £350m a week into the NHS, and the 'still have access to the free-market' pitch of the brexiteers have been shown to be outright lies. I doubt brexit would get a majority now.
Let’s not revisit old arguments, both sides told porkis, it’s up to each of us to weigh up the merits of each sides pitch and make a decision, that’s been done and leave was the result. The decision now is how we leave, another referendum wouldn’t resolve anything, it would make matters even worse. A general election may work as it may change the numbers in Parliament to allow one side a Majority, but I wouldn’t bet on it. The trouble with the alliance against a no deal Brexit is they all want different things . They have obviously agreed what they don’t want , but would not be able to agree on what they do want. Ie the SNP would want something very different to the Labour or Liberal parties. If we aren’t careful we could take years to resolve this. Like him or not, and I don’t, at least Boris Johnson wants to end this part of the negotiations by the end of Oct. Remember this part is just agreeing a framework for the negotiations, the actual negotiations on the details don’t start in earnest until the framework is agreed. What Boris is asking is that the Irish border issue be dealt with during the negotiations themselves and not be part of the framework, those issues will still need to be resolved to both sides satisfaction.
Good work by Labour over the last year? They don't know what they've wanted all year. They keep changing their mind. Their manifesto at the last GE was to implement the referendum result. Then it changed to wanting a 2nd referendum. Then it changed to wanting another GE. Then they wouldn't confirm what they wanted but just wanted to vote down everything. Now they say they will get a better deal from the EU and then put that to the people in another referendum and they will be campaigning to remain during that referendum! Why would they be seeking a new deal if they will be voting against it and wanting to remain? Their manifesto was to implement the referendum result. They got votes based on that promise. If all this was "good work" then democracy is truly dead.
Sorry to disappoint you here but Labour doesn't have the Tories by the balls. In fact the way I see it, and was confirmed by the politics show earlier before PM questions, Labour may have made it easier for Boris to get a no deal Brexit through. Tonight we will see the government lose the vote in the bill and no deal will be taken off the table. As soon as this vote happens, Boris will seek a GE. Corbyn has confirmed he will accept a GE as soon as tonight's bill gets passed. People have been impressed with the promises that Boris have made towards the extra funds for the police, NHS and schools among other things. His manifesto will be very good and will include leaving the EU with the words deal or no deal. The Tories will most likely win the GE as Labour will go for remain on their manifesto and so will the Lib Dems. So they will split those votes. I think the Lib Dems will beat Labour. Of course Brexit Party will have a manifesto for no deal only so they will get votes but most Brexiteers will prefer to stick with the Tories in hope that they win the GE so the Tories will then have a mandate to go for deal or no deal, which will allow Boris to remove tonight's bill to take no deal off the table. This will then give the Tories power when negotiating with the EU for a new deal and will probably get a better deal than originally offered as the Tories would have a mandate to leave with a no deal and the EU would obviously rather concede and compromise with us to avoid a no deal. Lots of ifs and buts, but tonight's bill getting passed means nothing if Corbyn accepts a GE and the Tories win the GE, which they will probably do. All this bill does is delay Brexit further, allowing more uncertainty for businesses and when Boris wins the GE, he will be in power for the next 4 years. So maybe you are right. Maybe Labour has done a very good job If the Tories don't win the GE with a majority, it will be a hung parliament. This probably is more likely than an outright majority win for the Tories. What will happen next? Its obvious. The Tories will team up with the Brexit party to get a majority. Then no deal is a high possibility.
Boris Johnson needs a 2/3rds majority to call a G/E under the fixed term parliament bill, Labour won’t let him do that until they have legislation in place guaranteeing he can’t call an election for a date that will see us come out with a no deal Brexit during the referendum campaign. Boris can introduce legislation to override the fixed term parliament bill but will still need a majority vote to enable him to call a G/E, I’m not sure he’d even be able to get that, I’m sure he has something up his sleeve though .
Rob , genuine question, you have stated you want to leave with what you consider a reasonable deal, if Labour, as seems likely, are going to campaign in a GE for remain , will you vote for them ?
I know CJS. That's why I said it's a rare bit of good work. I'm agreeing with you you numpty! Having said that, you can see why they're changing their mind. If they can guarantee no election until no deal is taken off the table (i.e. yesterday), they can then ensure the Tory vote is fragmented between them and the Brexit Party, which gives them a better chance. That is the rare bit of good work.
I've no idea, depends on the manifesto. If a party campaigned with the aim of getting a reasonable deal on its manifesto I'd possibly vote for them, I'm just not sure it's possible. I don't know what that 'good deal' would look like. Honestly I'd like to vote Green but when it comes to it I'll most likely vote with whichever party is most likely to keep out the Tories/Brexit Party in my constituency.
Thats what I mean. Once its been made law to have no deal, Labour will agree to a GE. If the Tories win the GE, he then has the mandate to remove that law so no deal would be back on the table.
How can Labour not having a clue what they actually want be a good bit of work? That's not a good bit of work. Its not even work. They just been kicking the can down the road and getting paid a lot from tax payers money for doing it. The last GE showed Labour's stock go up, even though they still lost. But due to their actions over the last 2 years, especially the last 12 months, their stock has gone back down lower than ever before. In the Euro elections recently, Labour has dropped to 4th and even 5th in many places around the UK. Yeah Rob. That's a bit of good work there isn't it! And you have the cheek to call me a numpty! No need for insults. as soon as you drop to that level, you've already lost the argument/debate/will to live
I'm not referring to them not having a clue as being good work! I don't know where you're getting that from . I'm saying all of that is bad work. What I'm saying is the way they've played this little bit is good, i.e to ensure no deal is completely avoided.
