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Ron

Ron

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Pissed off with bloody politics, something in which I never had an interest until bloody Brexit, my mind wandered the other day whilst I was eating my lunch and watching race replays

It was something the commentator said about how a race could be run to benefit the closers and mentioned that if they go off at a fast pace, that could play into the hands of the closers. My mind then quickly switched to Nass and his sectional timing which led me to automated commentating

If horses and jockeys had monitoring equipment on them we could have some really valuable commentating which could be a boon for the in race punter

With previous running patterns and form pre fed into the computer and monitoring this against the in running sectionals, monitoring the horses' stride patterns and stress rates and jockeys' posture etc we would have a very accurate commentary as to which horses were going well within themselves and running at their optimum efficiency

This could make in running betting a potential profit making strategy and could be an opportunity for someone to build the software to do the monitoring and commentaries better than anyone else and sell to on line punters
 
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I raised this on here i think once,
Why do jockeys not wear hearing pieces and can get instructions from wherever? A trainer or like a wingman for example, could direct to go wide, stick to the rail etc
Mind a jockey will say fcuk off im the pilot i guess.
 
I don't agree with having communication during a race. If they get into an argument the horse will sense something through the reins and that won't be good. A hot tempered jockey might even lose control and take it out on the horse. A bit like having an argument in the car and slamming the brakes on and saying "Right you ****ing drive then".

My thought was about monitoring and relaying significantly informative data for real time analysis regarding the theoretical chances of the horse running at its optimum efficiency
 
mallafets123 said:
I raised this on here i think once,
Why do jockeys not wear hearing pieces and can get instructions from wherever? A trainer or like a wingman for example, could direct to go wide, stick to the rail etc
Mind a jockey will say fcuk off im the pilot i guess.
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I think your last sentence is the most sensible.
 
Ron said:
Pissed off with bloody politics, something in which I never had an interest until bloody Brexit, my mind wandered the other day whilst I was eating my lunch and watching race replays

It was something the commentator said about how a race could be run to benefit the closers and mentioned that if they go off at a fast pace, that could play into the hands of the closers. My mind then quickly switched to Nass and his sectional timing which led me to automated commentating

If horses and jockeys had monitoring equipment on them we could have some really valuable commentating which could be a boon for the in race punter

With previous running patterns and form pre fed into the computer and monitoring this against the in running sectionals, monitoring the horses' stride patterns and stress rates and jockeys' posture etc we would have a very accurate commentary as to which horses were going well within themselves and running at their optimum efficiency

This could make in running betting a potential profit making strategy and could be an opportunity for someone to build the software to do the monitoring and commentaries better than anyone else and sell to on line punters
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Didn’t Ch4 try something like this a few years ago, with sensors in saddle cloths, and sectional times and all sorts of in running info whirring about at the edge of the screen? It didn’t prove very popular.

The problem with in-running betting is, you need to be quicker than all the other in-running punters, and to have a chance of doing that you need a live stream with no delay (which I don’t think is actually possible off-course?).
 
Archers Road said:
Didn’t Ch4 try something like this a few years ago, with sensors in saddle cloths, and sectional times and all sorts of in running info whirring about at the edge of the screen? It didn’t prove very popular.

The problem with in-running betting is, you need to be quicker than all the other in-running punters, and to have a chance of doing that you need a live stream with no delay (which I don’t think is actually possible off-course?).
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Yes you would have to be on course. Maybe they were collecting the wrong data. I don't know, I wasn't aware of that. Probably not as good as my plan <laugh>
 
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Maybe the wrong thread, but we're dealing with a bit of science, so here goes. Do breeders of yearling and buyers have horses x-rayed for heart size? I've read that Phar Lap had an engine that weighed 6.35 kgs and Secretariat 10 kgs. Most horses average about 3.5 kgs.

I don't know if there are a heap of other "heavy hearted" horses about, and if so, are they any good? I guess I'm asking if others exist in numbers and whether a enlarged heart plays a major part in being brilliant? Or are there heaps of them out there who are duds?
 
I have no idea what affect heart weight has on performance Cyc. But when considering size, it's not just the size but also the shape which will affect performance. A large heart can contain more blood and therefore pump more blood round the body. So that it why it is referred to as an engine. To possess a large heart the horse needs plenty of heart room and this can be viewed externally by the shape of the horse. It is more important for the heart room to be in the depth rather than the width. So I suppose you could get a large heart in a barrel chested shallow horse, and that would actually hinder performance because it hinders the movement (ie not straight looking from the front). So you are looking for a deep chested horse if you want a big engine. BUT it's no good having a big engine if the conformation is wrong. If you take a line down the horse's shoulder (when standing naturally with front legs vertical) and project that line to the ground, that is the maximum reach of the horse. So a horse with a 45 degrees angle is absolutely perfect. The more upright the shoulder the less front extension it can have and therefore requires more effort to cover the same amount of ground as the horse with a well laid back shoulder (45 degrees). That means the further it goes the more tired it will get. Of course in turn that is no good if the horse doesn't have the power from behind to propel it forward. There are many other factors but these are the essential conformation factors. If you think of a hare. It has really powerful hind legs which can propel it forward at great speed. But they have upright shoulders so they have to lift their front legs higher to avoid them being rammed into the ground. This takes up more energy which means they cannot maintain that speed for very long

In short a big engine is important but the horse has to be made right

Back to the weight problem, I'm guessing that most of the weight will be the blood but the weight of the heart can only be measured with an autopsy, so it's best to go on the size and shape

PS The horse also needs a well sprung ribcage to contain a large heart (not barrel chested as mentioned above, but certainly not slab sided either as that will also hinder movement. If they move straight, looking from the front, the movement is not being hindered by too narrow or too wide a chest
 
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