Fair post. But for some reason (or for many reasons) I can't agree that previous owners, and I've seen all of them over the past 50 years, have been "far worse". For me, these 2 are top of the pile. Despicable, arrogant, deluded, vindictive, self-serving, lying ****s. Past owners for sure had some of those traits; this lot have the full set. Probably made worse by the fact they are local. It resonates when you say "Hull City's name was mud and we were a laughing stock in our own City and I hated it". Me too. Adam Pearson turned it around. Now the local Allams are taking us back to square one. It's easy to understand why some boycott or even pack it in altogether. It's equally easy to understand why some keep going. The Allams are still managing to turn fan onto fan even now, even when 90%+ (?) want them gone. They are the worst we've ever had.
Just came on to post a link to that, .Chazz. Talking of links, you requested a link to Real Madrid offering to loan Man Utd Di Stefano as you said you would liked to have believed as if you doubted what I posted. I posted a link. Did you see it?
I'll try to explain the point for you. The thread was about the mess Bolton and Bury are in. My post is saying the Bolton and Bury today could be Hull City in 12 months time. Its not an argument with myself and you have never 'pulled me up' about anything. Also just because you don't agree with something it doesn't make it untrue. Now put your head back in the sand.
That depends on what you define as worst though. Others like Buchanan were worse than the Allams in that they were out and out crooks. Others were worse in that they brought less success on the field. Where the Allams are worse is their disdain for the fans, and anybody else who doesn't totally agree with them for that matter, and the way they have alienated fans from the club. As I wrote before, even when there were 3,000 rattling around in BP you still felt this was your club. That feeling has been taken away from many. Bumped into someone I worked with through the Dolan years. He was part of a carful who were driven by someone who missed only I game home and away in all those years, that lad sadly died the second season we were in the PL, the others you could have counted on one hand the games they missed in that period. Asked him if he was still going and he said him and his mate had finally had enough and ditched their passes last season. Which leaves one still going. None of them from Hull but all felt more attachment to the club than the vast majority of fans in Hull. Says it all about how a lot of fans are now feel detached from the club,
Warning bells rang when you spotted one of them driving a Rolls Royce with a tax disc months out of date. I remember someone going on the City Independent site in the days when you didn’t have to register and free speech ruled warning about those two when it was first rumoured they were sniffing about and predicting quite accurately what would happen.
I agree with most of that , I still go to games , I wish more people did , but on the other hand whatever you or anybody says on here won't make a difference the other way will it ? You aren't going to persuade people to go to games who aren't going now. It doesn't really matter if you blame the Allams , or the council or some of the fans , at this point in time nothing much will change until we get new owners and even then we have no idea what they will be like.
Never going to work then. How many staff does a lets say Div 1 club need (not currently have) and if they were to get away with paying them all minimum wage it would still cost more than the income generated. Bit extreme maybe but think about it, if the club has it's own ground there's maintenance, ground staff, directors, manager and his team, coaching staff, scouts, players, youth teams, transport to games, hotel costs, match day stewards, police and security, insurance and a whole load of other stuff. On the income side there is supporter generated income, TV money and some sponsorship money, i can't see any way to make a small club pay for itself.
Myself and a friend were at Goole watching the pre season friendly with City when Buchanan introduced himself ( maybe we approached him, cannot remember) I asked about his football background and he said he was a life long Blade. So obviously I mentioned the Battle of Bramall Lane and he didn't have a clue of what I was talking about. Also waited for him outside Notts County's ground after we'd played them in the League Cup, Marcell made his debut that night. Buchanan turned up with his minder/driver and spent a good half an hour outlining all his plans for Hull City to us. This was well past 10pm at night on a pitch black car park. He was a very convincing liar. Steve Weatherhill was onto them straight away and it we he who tipped me off.
A fair point, but incorrect about Bournemouth. Funded by a Russian, the club failed FFP handsomely the year it got promoted. With a subbuteo sized stadium holding 11,000 people there is no way it could be self sufficient without “outside” influences, like cash. Defoe was resigned with a £3m signing on fee and I believe he was on £80k a week. They had Wiltshire on loan from Holtby City, he played about 6 games yet they paid his Arsenal wages. The game is dependent on sovereign states and billionaires at the top table. Underneath it cowboys and, in Blackburn’s case, Indians, but mostly cowboys. One further point re the Allams, they never wrote a cheque for £30m. Provided guarantees which in my book is still a big effort. They subsequently did what most other clubs do and borrow against future income. How do we all think it all might end?
He mentions Mansfield Town a lot but not this bit. https://www.mansfieldtown.net/news/2016/january/1.2m-debt-wiped-off-the-clubs-books/
"How do we all think it all might end?" For football in general? Who knows For City? I no longer see a way out for us. The Allams are clearly, window by window, reducing costs so as to ' cut our cloth accordingly'. However its increasingly clear they are not taking all possible steps to pay down the (alleged) 'debt' in order to enable a sale. We appear stuck with them. Which, given tbe ongoing cost cutting, realistically means continued slide downwards. God knows where that will take us. I'm happy they are cutting cloth accordingly, I don't want the debt increasing further. Bowen and Grosickis value likely (for us) probably peaked this summer. The FFP window advantage now fades away (as I understand it). Making a sale less likely. Depressing.
I don't I don't see how it's incorrect. The owner had the funds, there's the difference and ms acknowledges this.
He says there shouldn’t be a salary cap but there is, in a fashion, via FFP and Bournemouth tore that up and went for broke. It reads like they are a model because it succeeded, but it didn’t at QPR who did the same thing but got caught out when relegated. Wolves did the same, hoping to never have to face the music. I don’t see any difference between what Bury tried to do and what Bournemouth tried to do. Bury failed and deemed crap businessmen (which they are) and Bournemouth is the exemplary model, because they caught the right wind and had more money. Bolton had money. Written off nearly £200m.
The Allams put around £80 million in cash into Hull City to pay off the old debts and fund Steve Bruce's first push for promotion. If you know different perhaps you should report the accountants for committing a criminal offence. In the end the Allams will sell us. It may be once they've got their money back or they have to write some of it off just to get rid. They will sell as they show no interest in wanting to stay longer than they deem necessary. When they do sell we'll be in a better financial position than when they bought us. We'll have little debt and a wage bill more or less in line with our income. If the new owners have no money we could end up in administration but that will be the Allams' fault for selling us to a bad home. If the new owners have money and an interest in football we will see the rebuilding of Hull City AFC.
There’s nothing to “not get”. The article reasons wealthier clubs are not obligated to bail out defunct clubs, particularly when run by inept “businessmen”. But it’s ok for Bournemouth to have a go as the wheels haven’t come off yet. Doesn’t seem much logic in his statement.
