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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by GLP, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Kempton

    Kempton Well-Known Member

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    I find this subject very difficult to make up my mind on.

    Half of me wants guns banned to the general public and the other half of me thinks that if my loved ones were in such a situation, I'd want someone there with a gun to kill the ****.

    Of course, in an ideal world we'd ban guns of any kind, but...
     
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  2. Barchullona

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    Banning guns would still leave the good guys unarmed whilst the bad uns would still get hold of them.
     
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  3. Kempton

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    Yes, that's part of what I'm trying to say here.
     
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  4. originallambrettaman

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    What like The Bahamas...
     
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  5. City Man

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    Has anyone thought of trialling a gun ban in one of the smaller less crime-ridden states, and then, if that goes well, rolling it out to the next 2 or 3 states and so on?

    Surely slowly state by state is the way to go?

    Those states that still enjoy line dancing, over eating etc can still do so, but they will surely understand the tide is coming in...
     
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  6. Kempton

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    Line dancers deserve to be shot anyway.
     
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  7. Barchullona

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    The USA, despite all the comments on here, is way down the list for murders. Twice as many people commit suicide with guns than are murdered by them in the USA. Most of them white males.
     
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  8. originallambrettaman

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    I find your response to this bizarre, there’s weekly mass shootings, of completely innocent people (often kids), with automatic assault weapons and your response is, at least it’s not as bad as Venezuela?
     
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  9. Barchullona

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    There are weekly mass shootings elsewhere, and more murders as a proportion of population, but the talk is only ever of the USA. Though there is more hysteria and blame apportioning now Trump is in power than when Obama was. A point made by a black American journalist living in London on TV this morning. As she was saying, twice as many people, the majority of them white males, kill themselves with guns as are murdered by them.
    Allowing people to buy assault rifles is, it goes without saying, bloody stupid. However you are still at a relatively low risk of being killed by a gun. The murder rate in Russia is about double that of the USA but no one blames Putin.
     
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  10. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    Can we just clear up that these aren’t weekly mass shooting occurrences, they’re currently more than daily.
     
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  11. originallambrettaman

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    The murder rate in Russia used to be more than double that of the US, but it’s fallen dramatically and in 2018 fell below the US murder rate for the first time. They’re also completely different circumstances, Russian gangsters are generally shooting other Russian gangsters, not mowing down innocent kids in their schools.
     
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  12. DMD

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    A good excuse for this.



     
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  13. Barchullona

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    Really? In 2017 it was still 9.2 compared to about 6 in the USA.
     
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    In 2018 it was 5.6 compared to 6 in the US.
     
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  15. Barchullona

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    No they aren’t.
     
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  16. originallambrettaman

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    Pretty much, 248 so far this year.
     
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  17. Barchullona

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    Where did you get that from? That didn’t come up on the one I saw. Even if correct, not much difference between a country where guns are more available than elsewhere and one where they aren’t. Gun ownership is high in Switzerland but shootings are rare. What all this shows I don't know.
     
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  18. originallambrettaman

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    I got it wrong, the rate in Russia was down to 4.9 last year, at least it was according to the Russians...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Russia
     
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  19. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    In 217 days ... is ... er ... more than one a day.

    Not that it matters, One is one too many.
     
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  20. DMD

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    They could make it legal to kill anyone carrying a military grade rifle, as long as you do it with a military grade rifle. <ok>
     
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