Transfer Rumours transfer thread fact and fiction

Does anyone else think that Alderweireld have financially screwed up (in relative terms obviously)?

From my understanding, he is on £60,000 to £80,000 per week and a year ago we offered him £130,000 per week which he turned down.

So by next summer he will have lost either £7.25m or £5.2m (depending on what he earns now).

If he goes on a free and gets his £180,000 next summer (he will be nearing 31 years old by then) for a 3 year contract he would have got exactly the same at the end of the 3rd year as he would have if he had taken the offer from us over the same time span.

Or am I missing something?

 

That all makes sense, the only thing you’ve not taken into account is a likely massive signing on fee at his new club, players of his calibre could fetch anything between £5m-£8m (possibly even more) as that’s still chump change for a club considering they’re saving on paying a transfer fee. Rabiot for instance picked up a €10m signing on fee with Juve.

It will remain to be seen though if he gets his desired £180k a week wage. Not too many will be willing to pay that for a 31 year old CB and so his best bet may be a move to China or MLS.

 

Indeed.
Also add the fact that those 3 years may have to be somewhere such
as China or the USA (well away from the silverware of a top Euro league + CL) .


"Or am I missing something?"

You are "missing" plenty, but none of that affects the above comment.

 

There are two dimensions to this : 1) what Juventus want. 2) what Dybala wants.

On #1, Juventus want a big sum for Dybala.
Man Utd may be offering Lukaku as collateral to lessen that.
Who could Spurs similarly offer ??

On #2, probably a combo of opportunity as you said + the Aubameyang tax
(no guarantee that Man Utd will be consistently back in the CL any time soon,
so "new challenge" box suitably ticked ) .

 

Today's update suggest that Dybala expects £350k p/w

For context, he's on £113k at Juve

In other news...

 

We're some way off being able to compete on wages with United, City, PSG, Juve, Barcelona and Real Madrid. Our best route is to target players 'on the up', like Ndombele, rather than those that are 'there' already.

Arsenal have mortgaged their future to sign Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan and keep Ozil. Keeping away from these signings is probably best whilst we're so much in debt. Plus, I think Lo Celso is a more adaptable footballer and would suit our needs more......if we can sort the deal out.

 

This is what the lunatic fringe fail to understand: just because we're on a higher financial plane than Everton or Leicester doesn't mean we're on the exact same financial plane as Sky's favourites

The fact I've seen some of the dopes make direct financial comparisons between us and the Chavs/Sheikh Mansour Team underlines how divorced from reality they are

 

For as good as Dybala joining would’ve been, we don’t exactly ‘need’ him. With Son, Lucas and Lamela (providing he stays fit) as well as Dele, we have the inside forward/ second striker positions nicely covered (not forgetting if we also add Sess to the mix which I expect we will).

Lo Celso on the other hand is what we need. A creative force in the middle who can play alongside Ndombele or play in the ten role to cover Eriksen.

 

Even if Spurs were on the same financial plane, that does not mean you have
to suffer wage hyper-inflation. Being the current empire is an obvious exemption.

Let us use a Fergie/Wenger era c2007 onwards example ...

You have a player, domestic or overseas, interested in being at a top PL club.
The Goons offer nK/week (n being serious money) . Man Utd offer (n - 50)K/week.

Which club is the player going to join ??

A pure merc will take the Goon offer.
Someone seeking both glory and wealth will take the Man Utd offer, because
there is far more greater likelihood of the former happening as well.

Also, if Man Utd really want the player they at least have the option of going up
to nK/week if that is what it takes.

 

There's another aspect to it as well: in Football Manager transfers are a doddle, as you make an offer which is either accepted or renegotiated, and negotiating terms usually just involves clicking the confirmation button and you're done. In real life transfers simply do not work like that, for a myriad of reasons, both in terms of negotiating fees/add-ons or negotiating personal terms - and that includes players with buy-out clauses, because even activating that clause doesn't automatically make the player yours by teatime

 

Lo Celso would be a "heir apparent" to Eriksen (the future Spurs AM,
joining at effectively the same age Eriksen did etc) .

 

To quote Doris Day.....
Oh the deadwood stage means a player is over the hill
Or he's hangin' around and takin' cash out of our till
Hard as we try, they just seem to stay!
Get-them-away, get-them-away, get-them-away!

(That's my pre-season warm-up friendly done!)

ps Just for the record, in my opinion, as a keen gardener, I do not regard any player on our books as equivalent to what I prune as "deadwood".

 

Lo Celso Watch
So either we've agreed a deal or we still haven't agreed a fee with Betis

Nice to see that following transfer stories is so straightforward...

 

I've noticed a lot recently that clubs are now agreeing deals/contracts with players before their club has even agreed to sell them. When did that happen? Used to be that you could not talk to the player until their club had agreed to sell.

 

I think that a lot of it is agreed to by the selling club when they're first contacted.
No point in negotiating if the player won't move.
Some of it is still underhand mischief though, of course.

 

Missing out financially for sure.

Presumably though any new contract before hand means he would need to sign for longer which means giving the power to tottenham about where he moves to (if a fee isnt agreed). This way if hes really as good as he is and if the big clubs fancy him on a free, he can move to where he wants to go next year

 

Sky reporting that Roma haven't given up on their pursuit of Toby.

Reading between the lines, this does make a lot of sense. Obviously they'd need to improve their measly opening bid, but with Tanganga really impressing over the past couple of weeks, it may well be that Poch is ok with Toby leaving for a reduced fee (anything in the region of £20m). Poch is notorious for having zero interest in retaining players who aren't committed for the long haul. Roma know this. They'll also know better than most that while Levy is apparently now looking for £35m+ for Toby, he probably wouldn't pass up the opportunity to sell him rather than lose him for free next summer (similar situation to Dembele). If Zaniolo can somehow be worked back into the deal, I think we could yet see movement on this front.

 

The pieces seem to fit together, but the way Toby is talking on social media, he doesn’t seem like a man that’s thinking about leaving.

 

The one hole is that Spurs get a transfer fee, which Roma would have to pay and Toby doesn't get a fat signing on fee, which he will do if he waits a year.

That benefits us but not the player or the buying club. I just can't see it.

 

Good on Roma. < God loves a trier >

They will however need some combo based on cash +/- Zaniolo to make it happen.