Schumacher DID NOT Break The Rules

no one would of said anything ten years ago? funny, cos Schumacher got kicked out of the WDC over ten years ago for being a ramming cheater. Hasn't changed, the only difference is he has people who can actually drive a racing car against him, and the FIA aren't changing the rules to suit his team, and, so far, Mercedes havn't gone the Flavio way and started fitting totally illegal parts to his car so he can win. Schumachers 7 titles won;t be taken away, but it will always be in the history books that he was a cheat, and only people lacking real talent have to cheat.

 

Wow... just... wow.

 

For what its worth I dont think the Schuey moves were a direct breach of the rules, just boarderline and typical of his super aggresive driving! I think the discussion is just hightened, because it always looks worse on a narrow track and high speed rather than one of the modern tracks! In addition, because lewis was the other driver it brings into question the consistentcey of the stewards! Alot of people have compared the incident with the lewis incident in sepang but I have to disagree, blocking and breaking a tow are two different actions, however just for the record, I did feel sorry for Lewis.

 

I felt sorry, until I realised this was 100% racing at it's best from none other than Michael Schumacher.

 

Is it really any surprise that the youth are the way they are when you take a look at their role models? cheats, empty headed wanna be gangsta's, self absorbed plastic slappers et al. I'm slightly jealous of AG and Cosi, as they come from a time where they had role models to be proud of, they raced and played football for the enjoyment and to test themselves against others to see how good they were, since I was a kid the cheats have got worse, it's more about how many rules you can break and get away with to win than anything else. Although I'm a Senna fan, it's more because he stuck it to Prost than anything else, as Prost and the FIA diminished the sport for me at Suzuka in 89, and they have made arbitrary decisions as and when they see fit. Hamilton has every right to feel aggreived. making 2 moves to break tow is a penalty, but making 2 moves blocking your opponent, putting him on the grass and nearly purposefully causing an accident, AGAIN, is not, (if he'd done it to a lesser driver that car could easily become airborne, coming up to a low bridge) taking the piss if you ask me.

 

playing devils advocate here Manny, but that's not what Miggins said.

 

Schumacher was very aggressive when defending against Hamilton, but he's always been like that. In the past he's sometimes gone too far (and gotten away with it) but I have no problems with how he drove in Monza. All I saw was a strong defence against a much faster car. Hamilton didn't moan about it afterwards and the stewards didn't get involved, so what did Schumacher do wrong?

I don't understand why people feel the need to insult Schumacher. Let's not forget that the fast and consistent Nico Rosberg - who was supposed to be destroying his 42 year old teammate - is only 4 points ahead of him in the Championship.

 

Not getting destroyed by Rosberg now is he, it's funny how there is no mention of Schumacher vs Rosberg when they are so close in the championship.
Hamilton did not complain, so why are 70% of the British pop. and media doing so, vile hatred towards one person, it's always a wonder how Michael keeps a lid on himself and still drives like a champ.

 

Here you go, if you could actually read his comment, it may have saved me time doing this for you.

 

A superb contribution Miggins!
By complete coincidence, I have just written the following in another thread; but perhaps it sits better here! You have hit on a vital point which seems all too frequently overlooked these days; and for that reason, I feel a repeat is valid here in this thread:

• All competitors try to gain advantage; but most sportsmen and women do not 'cheat'.
• Although perfection is technically impossible, without striving for it one cannot even begin to approach excellence.

Has the notion of 'sporting behaviour' (a code of conduct between sportsmen and women) been lost altogether amongst more recent generations? I really do wonder sometimes…

If the matador pulls a gun, greatness eludes him no matter how many bulls he kills

Once upon a time, there were boundaries beyond which one would not go. Just like the laws of a land, such a framework is an essential means by which people come to know where they stand with one another. It involves an appreciation by - and a respect for - one's peer group; and those who transcend mediocrity may soar to exalted heights to become venerated by all. This is the source of 'greatness'; an accolade bestowed by all and sundry; rarely - if ever - to be questioned.
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Thus, Greatness can have no relationship with cheating, since one evades the other: such concepts are mutually exclusive. Just as with the laws of civilisation, without such a code, sport quickly descends to a disrespectful anarchy of dog eat dog.

Let us hope that there are enough of us left to prevent an emerging acceptability of such uncivilised behaviour; for whether in sport or citizenship; if standards are not upheld, the goal is ultimately lost.

 

I think any argument that Schumacher did not do anything wrong is invalidated by the fact that his team principle had to twice come on the radio to tell him to stop.

 

I think we should stop feeding the troll

 

Why have you gone so sour? I only replied to your comment telling me he (miggins) did not post anything about the "lesser driver" and I proved you wrong..

 

Excellent reply, his defence was backed by the fact that his car is 1.5 seconds slower than the Mclaren (race pace), so he needed to defend hard in the race, he did not make physical contact with him or shunt him off, others have done similar things... It's just that it is so over exaggerated when it is Michael Schumacher, won't be soon until there are another bunch of trolls and haters calling him to leave.
It is real racing GET A GRIP.

 

I dont think its a WUM thread at all! I think that whilst some may feel that there was a rule breach, others may feel that there was a code of conduct breach and some may feel that it was perfectly exceptable, we all agree on one thing! Any event or schedule must be consistent and one thing none of us can argue is that there appears to be an inconsistnet approach to individual races, drivers or teams that leave a perception of unfairness.

 

Absolutely correct.
On this note, I'd like to say that since the introduction of a professional driver to the stewards, the decision making has become more consistent.

However, these particular incidents by Schumacher during Sunday's Monza race, appear to have raised the question of consistency yet again; not least by Derek Daly himself, who concedes (amazingly!) that he did not see the incidents!

http://thef1times.com/news/display/04456
Here is the report in full:

Schumacher should have had penalty - steward

Wednesday 14th September 2011, 16:03

FIA steward for the Italian Grand Prix, Derek Daly, admits he and the other stewards missed Michael Schumacher's questionable move on Lewis Hamilton, and had they seen it, the German would have been penalised.
Former-F1 driver, Daly, released a statement explaining how and why they missed the incident, adding that they let FIA race director Charlie Whiting down.
“On lap 20, race director Charlie Whiting asked the stewards to look at an incident between Felipe] Massa and [Jarno] Trulli at the second chicane.
“While looking at the slow motion video of this incident, I missed the Schumacher/Hamilton incident that happened at that moment.
“When I looked at it again at home, I believe that Schumacher should have been given a drive-though penalty. He was warned repeatedly and this style of driving is not what you want the future generation of drivers to perfect.
“We as stewards probably let Charlie down with this one," he admitted.
The statement is unusual given that most driver representatives on the stewarding panel refuse to comment on incidents during the race."

 

I think that settles it: Schumacher was very fortunate to escape a penalty.

 

I'll never forgive the Germans for what they did to my granddad in the war,,,,,they never did give him captaincy of his U boat,, the bastards

 

You wouldn't be surprised or pleased to know that the world wars influence peoples prejudices today.

 

That's nothing compared to the prejudices religions can place on each other from thousands of years go................. Anyway, getting somewhat off topic and a bit deep for an F1 forum