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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
September Election according to the Sunday Times, which really is racking up the anti Corbyn campaign, all on its news rather than opinion pages. They are mobilising. Can’t see anything other than another hung parliament myself. Without Corbyn Labour might have a chance of forming a government with the Libs, Greens and SNP, but not with him. Don’t know who apart from the DUP would buddy up with the Tories.
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September makes sense. He will have to try and get a majority in parliament and can't leave it until after Brexit hasn't happened on 31st October. It will become a de facto Brexit referendum, and Labour will have no chance unless they take a clear position, offering to re-negotiate Brexit with the EU around a permanent CU, and to then put this back to the country in an actual referendum with Remain as the alternative.
 
sb_73 said:
September Election according to the Sunday Times, which really is racking up the anti Corbyn campaign, all on its news rather than opinion pages. They are mobilising. Can’t see anything other than another hung parliament myself. Without Corbyn Labour might have a chance of forming a government with the Libs, Greens and SNP, but not with him. Don’t know who apart from the DUP would buddy up with the Tories.
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Cant disagree with any of that
 
West WindsR said:
It takes some mental contortions to try and justify in your head a minority government propped up by some religious ultras led by a bloke who will willingly make you poorer having been elected by 0.2% of the population, with that 0.2% predominantly relatively old and relatively wealthy enough to not be so adversely affected by his future ‘policies’.
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That's our great country for you.
 
sb_73 said:
Except that I forgot the Brexit Party, which will get lots of votes but probably not so many seats. They might enter some kind of death cult pact with the Tories.
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Yeah I doubt Farage would go up against a Johnson Tory Party. Not much benefit in that when he can just shout from the sidelines.

Anyone who votes for Farage’s mob in a general election isn’t arsed about the future of this country.
 
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HumanProgress.org‏@HumanProgress 5h5 hours ago
Why are wolves increasing all around the world, lions decreasing and tigers now holding steady?
Basically, because wolves are in rich countries, lions in poor countries and tigers in middle income countries.
Prosperity is the solution not the problem.
 
colognehornet said:
What we basically need is an EU constitution which establishes, for all time, the exact powers which are best kept at the national level, and those which are best transferred to the supra national one. The constitutions of the USA and Germany both do this - so everyone knows when the central regime is overstepping its powers. Such a constitution would need to have the positive agreement of the majority of the population. We need to establish a concept of what we want the EU to be in future - and how the citizens of Europe can reclaim it - running away is not the solution. The fact is that the World of capital, and finance has long since globalized itself whereas our democracy is still locked at the national level, where it all began - as long as that is the case then international capitalism will become/is the biggest threat to democracy, because national governments are powerless to protect their populations against the ravages of globalized capital.
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It's hard to see the UK as a victim of the "ravages" of world capitalism, when London is the international centre of finance, and there is no credible suggestion that this will change after Brexit. The UK continues to be an attractive country for foreign investors to invest in.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
It's hard to see the UK as a victim of the "ravages" of world capitalism, when London is the international centre of finance, and there is no credible suggestion that this will change after Brexit. The UK continues to be an attractive country for foreign investors to invest in.
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London was at one point without doubt the centre of world financial affairs but that was 16 years ago
Since then things have changed a lot and Brexit will mean a lot of change

Monitor the drift away it carry on dreaming

The penny will drop soon enough
 
West WindsR said:
Yeah I doubt Farage would go up against a Johnson Tory Party. Not much benefit in that when he can just shout from the sidelines.

Anyone who votes for Farage’s mob in a general election isn’t arsed about the future of this country.
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In a nutshell the Brexit has and always be a protest vote .. still absolutely no substance in policy post brexit
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
It's hard to see the UK as a victim of the "ravages" of world capitalism, when London is the international centre of finance, and there is no credible suggestion that this will change after Brexit. The UK continues to be an attractive country for foreign investors to invest in.
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But it’s very easy to see individual Britons as victims of world capitalism. Go north, young man.
 
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The £ currency market values are reflecting where the financial/economy world sees the UK going with the recent increase likelyhood of a no-deal Brexit with the Tory leadership contest. As they did with the Brexit vote. The Pound has now lost almost a third of the value it had against the Thai Baht right before that vote.
 
DT’s Socks said:
London was at one point without doubt the centre of world financial affairs but that was 16 years ago
Since then things have changed a lot and Brexit will mean a lot of change

Monitor the drift away it carry on dreaming

The penny will drop soon enough
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If London isn't the centre of international finance, where is it? Frankfurt? Paris?!
 
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sb_73 said:
But it’s very easy to see individual Britons as victims of world capitalism. Go north, young man.
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If there are UK victims of the increase in globalisation, it is in the North since they don't get the benefit of the radius of London. That featured in the Brexit vote, the rush to centralise power in Northern Europe, making individuals more and more remote from key decision makers. It needs to be addressed in the UK post Brexit.
 
Labour MP and Brexiteer Kate Hoey to step down at next election. Boris could do far worse than hire her in some form. She's competent and her heart is fully behind Brexit. She was always far too good for Corbyn's abject project imo.
 
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