You know what that type of goal reminds me of: classic Grant Holt. Oh god. VAR on another England goal. This would be so, so harsh again.
England f**ked over again from a stupid iffy VAR decision. I was happy about Var going into the Prem. I thought we wouldn't suffer from big team bias. Var seems to look for any tiny reason to disallow any decision or goal. If we score a 92nd minute winner at Old Trafford. I can see then go to VAR and say in the build up, someone touched a Man U player.
Ridiculous VAR call, "clear and obvious error"??? It's bounced up, off her chest onto the absolute top of her arm/shoulder, whilst battling with a defender. They wouldn't have given a penalty for it because of their ruling about not giving deflections - so what grounds for ruling this out are there??
This is what we will get this season. I was so sure VAR would stop the pathetic decisions we get every Premiership season. That's not going to happen. They will pick out something that happened 15 minutes before the goal, and rule it out.
VAR does not rule out any goals. VAR simply supplements the all too fallible eyes and minds of match officials in trying to draw a correct conclusion about what actually happened. Objecting to VAR is simply saying "We'd rather have the rules of the game misapplied because of a factual mistake than have the rules applied to what actually happens". What led to the England goal being disallowed were the recently introduced rules regarding handball. DHCanary implies that the referee wrongly applied the rules. I don't think she did, but that IMO is the proper subject of debate, not the use of VAR.
Yeah. Using VAR to every "letter of the law" doesn't work. Like when a toe was offside the other day. Not clear and obvious, no advantage. Disallow it coz it's England again. That Cameroon goal ruled out against England was also BS. She was running the opposite way, her heal was half offside, she turned and ran on to it to score. She was at more of a disadvantage to the defenders who were facing the goal. It just doesn't work, plus it comes down again to "do I want to be stupidly harsh, or is it a big club, can I let that go?". The heel was offside, but it's Man U at old Trafford...I don't need to look at VAR. Nah. Goal allowed. Norwich player had the same in the United area, Nah, I don't think that needs to go to VAR. Disallowed. No way in hell that was hand ball today. The amount of times they had to watch it, zoom in, ask other people, then decide if they wanted to give it. I was hoping it would even everything out more. But if we score at old Trafford, like a late winner. It will go to VAR, they will keep rewinding an say "15 minutes ago, you held someone's arm. Disallowed."
The actual wording of the use of VAR is that the referee has made a clear and obvious error. Therefore the goal should have stood! SIMPLES!!!!
You make some good points on the use of VAR FML and IMO, it has been over-used in the WWC and I'm hoping we won't see it disrupting games too much in the PL, or else I can see games lasting closer too 100 minutes.
The referee did make "a clear and obvious error" in that, due to a mistake of fact (whether or not the ball struck White's arm), she initially allowed the goal. Once she'd seen what actually happened (i.e. that the ball had indeed struck White's arm), she correctly applied the new handball rule and disallowed the goal. That's how I see it anyway!
