I understand Boris is now up against a remainer. Is the winner the one who gets the most votes? I ask only for information...
@DonCorleone The police are a useless, unreformed monolith. The Blair Government’s obsession with political correctness saw them allow all shapes & sizes in, against the opposition of their own Federation at the time. We are now paying the price. As for their crime solving performance, even a prolonged spell with you cooking their books couldn’t improve the Met’s abysmal figures.
They both want Brexit. If either of them can solve the Irish border question, it might be a big step forward. But despite all the promises about how easy it would be, no one has yet come up with a solution, though Boris laughably thinks we should just do Brexit, then sort out the issues further down the road. Luck some of the European MEP's have a bit more intelligence (less would be a toughie). But the survey this week shows a high percentage of Tory voters are happy to smash the UK, the economy and even trash their own party in order to get Brexit over the line. 'Strong and Stable'
The embellishments of a Spanish resident Remind me about the unemployment levels in EU -supplicant states like Spain again. Their youth unemployment levels are frightening- without wishing to personalise it, you will have to move back to the UK at some stage. Espana- Uncompetitive, bloated public sector dominated economy, artificially kept afloat by EU (German & UK) money.
They're willing to break some eggs to get the omelette made. That was the will of the British people back in 2016. How conveniently that has been forgotten by the Lib Dems and Labour.
Interesting swerve there Royston. Keeping in the spirit of the thing it was amusing to see the Tory MP being recalled for fiddling his expenses. Lucky it wasn't Chris Grayling, who is so adept at giving money to shipping companies with no ships. Lardi, you crack me up with your eggs analogy. Around 3000 'eggs' died during 40 years of the troubles in Northern Ireland, so while you may complain about democracy not doing what you want, show me a politician who thinks Brexit is worth that sort of bloodshed and I'll show you one who should be in jail. More to the point, try and find someone who can solve it - it was all easy peasy in 2016. Now it appears Brexit is simply radical English nationalism. Don't remember Farage claiming breaking up the UK was part of the plan, or even a solution.
Wiser heads than me predicted that the remainers would get the blame when the leavers messed up. The vote was 52/48, I would have accepted a compromise like the W/A, but now it looks like it has to be No Deal Vs No Brexit. However some try to rewrite history No Deal was not on offer at the referendum; the most prominent leavers told us a deal would be easy, the German car industry would insist on it, they need us more than we need them etc etc. Now they are prepared to take an economic hit which they said then was project fear. Personally I buy into Project Fear, which is probably the difference, and I don't like it.
Getting a deal was a job for the politicians. Their directive from the people (via the referendum) was Leave. Find a way to make it happen. Instead we have had it wasn't a binding vote People didn't know what they were voting for it wasn't legal (the 'leave' camp cheated) No deal wasn't on the ballot paper 'Remain' was on the ballot paper, and that choice was out-voted by two million. But let's all forget that inconvenient truth. Personally I hope Boris becomes our next Prime Minister and that he has the courage to take the UK out of the EU without a deal on October 31st if the EU won't negotiate anymore. However, I am more than expecting the opposite to happen; Boris will be knobbled. Article 50 will be revoked, and we will have a Labour led Coalition government supported by the Lib Dems / SNP / Green Party. A remainer Alliance which will divide the Country even more, and lead to five years of economic devastation under PM Jeremy Corbyn. What him and his cronies will do to this country will make a no-deal Brexit look like a walk in the park. I hope remainers enjoy every minute of it.
Shame people get classified on the basis of how they cast their vote in a referendum three years ago. We're all in the same boat.
Ha ha. 5 years of economic devestation under Corbyn Lardi? He's unelectable. The Tories though? Grayling? How much did he spunk up the wall on no Brexit. Boris and his useless water cannons? Years of pointless austerity which has simply added to the terrible national debt. Remember the magic money tree which didn't exist till the Tories neede the DUP. The politicians tried Lardi. The problem is you fell for their lies and now expect unicorns for free. You complain about Jo Brand making a joke but you want Boris to take the UK out on a no deal basis - and then whine about Corbyn. No one was talking about no deal at referendum time - it's just a hissy fit you lot have invented. But you need a referendum for that, abd you'll lose. And the country was split by Cameron and Austerity, no remainers. Thats just the childish take of the kiddies finding out the unicorns don't exist. Operation blame. Enjoy.
Aside from Theresa May and Jeremy Hunt is there anybody who voted 'Remain' in 2016 but has now changed their mind? A few people of extraordinary conscience perhaps. A scant handful for whom the principle of democracy is more important than winning by any means, fair or foul. Parliament will bring Boris and the Government down rather than risk a no-deal Brexit. Then we will have a Remain Coalition Government that nobody voted for (when the Lib-dems get into bed with Corbyn a week after the General Election) and Article 50 will be revoked. I only want what's rightfully and democratically mine - Leave won the referendum, as I have to remind remainers for the millionth time. If Article 50 is revoked I'll never vote again and I'll never respect democracy again. That isn't really a problem for anybody, since I'm old and tired and my abhorrence of violence runs even deeper than my current (severely tested) respect for democracy. But I won't be the only one who turns his back on the ballot box.
What I remember is how we were repeatedly told that a 'Leave' vote meant no common market and no customs union But what do I know, I'm a braindead Brexiteer
Because those who claim to represent remainers in the media (prominent remain politicians and other experts) have no problem at all ditching the fundamental principle of democracy if it means they get their way. First up, they dismiss their defeat as being by a 'wafer thin' margin - actually it was 2 million votes. Then they insinuate at every opportunity that people who voted Leave are ignorant racists. And they have endless excuses as to why the 2016 referendum result is no longer valid, or indeed was never valid in the first place. The political establishment has ditched democracy in order to protect its interests. And it has done so with the silent blessing of millions of remain voters who don't seem to mind how they get their way, having lost in a fair and free vote. There are many things about the United Kingdom that I am very proud of. One of them used to be our centuries-old Parliamentary democracy. Granted it isn't perfect by a long way, but it has endured and over generations has adapted itself to bring the right to vote to all the people, regardless now of social status or gender. Now however Parliament is about to do something that, as far as I know, it has never done before. It has defied Dictators and Kings, but it has never (until now) defied the fairly expressed will of the people. Technical quibbles about legality are no more a defence than claiming that voters were lied to or are just too stupid to understand the issues. The referendum in 2016 was run fairly and people voted in good faith. The losing side can't just refuse to accept the result on a technicality. That's what they do in banana republics, just before they start shooting each other. If Article 50 is revoked, then Parliament will be in contempt of democracy and in contempt of the people. I never thought it could happen here, and if it does happen there will be consequences.
What I meant, Lardi, was that instead of being angry with me for placing my X in a different box you should direct your justifiable rage at the likes of Liam Fox, David Davis and Boris, who ran a fundamentally dishonest campaign, telling us it would be easy to leave the EU. The option given was simply Out, and there are several options- the Norway option, Canada plus, the W/A or No deal. When we voted to join the negotiations were done before the vote, it was clear what the options were. I myself didn't understand the financial implications, and neither did a lot of other people, but to say that seems to be taken as calling people stupid. It's not. To compound the error Mrs May called a G/E which stripped the Government's majority, and we ended up with a different Parliament, since when it's all got terribly messy, and will probably get messier, given Boris's relationship with the truth.
It was a democratic vote Ken. And your side lost by over 1,000,000. Only you live in Spain. Please don’t lecture the rest of us on what a sh1t hole this country has become in part because of the EU, when you have had the cheek to abandon ship yourself.
