Off Topic Political Debate

A course in diplomacy or interpersonal skills would help you

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No doubt our resident spin doctor will explain how it all points to great Tory success..

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Can we get back to the original aim of having a debating thread here ? Which means debating ie. giving your opinions and arguing your case, and reading, and responding to the views of others. It is not a place for keyboard warriors - for those who feel safe sat behind a keyboard insulting and belittling others, knowing that they are hiding behind the anonymity which the internet offers. The only person that Yorkie has ever responded to in this way is yourself whereas you have, at some time or other, belittled, insulted, or attempted to wind up more or less every poster on here - in fact anyone who has had the temerity to not agree with you 100% of the time. For God sake give it a rest - all you show us is your cowardice, nothing else, because the only result of your behaviour which would happen in a face to face situation would be several missing teeth.

 

You would have more than teeth missing my friend. You conveniently forget the numerous insults to any poster with views not sanctioned by the clique.

 

Again the keyboard warrior emerges ! Try debating once in a while in an adult fashion and you may get some respect back - you have insulted, made fun of, or belittled nearly all posters on here - and when we respond we are, somehow, a clique ! Apparently my adopted country is full of Nazis and murderers - apparently it should hang its head in shame forever, and to eternity - this includes my wife and adopted family, because they are German. Apparently Germany's history can never be erased - whereas the history of other countries can ? Your only purpose in coming on here is to wind up as many people as possible, and to create as much discord as possible - what gratification do you get from this ? Maybe Yorkie is right ie. you need treatment, but I, for one, do not have the time to play the social worker on here.

 

Wrong, I said Yorkie needs treatment for his strange posts, perhaps you can join in as well?

 

Try reading texts through and actually responding to them.

 

Good advice for yourself matey

 

I think you will find that I do actually take the time to read through texts before replying - the only problem is that yours have next to no content.

 

The problem clique members have is the inability to accept the validity of alternative views, you are one of the worst. No wonder others have given up and left.

 

Shall we debate the call for the new Peterborough Labour MP to be deselected by fellow Labour MPs due to her alleged anti semitic behaviour?

 

I gave you a warning about your lack of respect for other posters recently and said that I would apply for a ban if you were unable to treat them with respect. You can choose if you wish to comply or not. I don't care too much about your constant snide remarks about France or me, but I do care about your abuse of others. It is up to you now SH, there will be no further warning.

 

If you can provide evidence of her 'supposed' anti semitic behaviour then we can, certainly, debate as to whether it was, in fact, anti semitic. In fact we could try to find a working definition as to what is anti semitic and what isn't. I would welcome such an open debate but doubt if it is possible with yourself - try to prove me wrong, and I would welcome such a debate. The onus is on you because she is innocent until proven otherwise. When I say evidence, I do not mean a link to one of your comics - but rather in your own words.

 

Those Labour MPs calling for one of their own MPs to be deselected surely have valid reasons for such a drastic course of action. Jewish organisations are also demanding her removal, are they all wrong according to you.?

 

I want to know from you if you think she is anti semitic, and why ? Don't throw me over to what others may be saying on this, because I do not know what their interests are in doing so.

 

I don't think that you can debate this unless there is an agreement first what anti-semitic behaviour is. It means different things to different people.

 

The lady in question has obviously behaved in a manner to cause the most unusual reaction from fellow MPs and Jewish organisations. The limp reaction from the leadership indicates a tolerance of anti semitic behaviour within the Labour Party. This appears to also be the view of Corbyn's deputy, which is why Momentum are gunning for him.

 

Yes, but that doesn't tackle what you actually think it is. Perhaps you could say her treatment was the same as Sajid Javid had because he dared to be critical of Trump. You need to have your opinion based on facts, not just say what has happened elsewhere if you wish to debate.

 

The term anti semitic is difficult because it is, more or less, obsolete in racial terms. Racially it referred to the ancient Semitic speaking peoples ie. Arabs, Jews, Mandaeans, Samaritans and Assyrians/Syriacs - so the question is raised - how can an Arab be anti Semitic, in racial terms ? Also we have excluded all forms of discrimination against non-Jewish Semitic peoples from this heading and reduced it to a purely Jewish thing - so why do we use the word Semitic at all ? We can safely say that certain things are not acceptable, and are clearly punishable:

a) Calling for, aiding or justifying the killing or harming of Jews due only to their religion or ethnic origins. The calling for taking up arms against the state of Israel (or the boykotting of that state) is not anti Semitic if it is confined to Israel, and is not directed against all Jews everywhere.

b) Making demeaning or stereotypical allegations about Jews in the collective eg. the assumption that there is a Jewish conspiracy to control media, economy, finance etc.

c) Accusing Jews as a people of being collectively responsible for crimes committed by individual Jews. The adding of the epithet before a description of a person - such as Rumanian Pickpockets (imagine the furore if the poster concerned had used 'Jewish' instead of Rumanian.

d) Denying the facts of the Holocaust.

e) Accusing the Jews as a people of inventing or exagerating the holocaust. This is fine as it goes but there is a tendency to presume that they have a monopoly on this - as if no Communists or Gypsies suffered. The reluctance of some Jewish circles to recognize the extent of the Gypsy holocaust is quite sickening.

f) Using symbols or images of classical anti Semitism (eg. killing Jesus) - use of derogatory expressions such as 'Yid' or 'Kike'.

g) Holding all Jews collectively responsible for the actions of Israel.

This is all agreeable as a definition, as far as I am concerned, but the problem is how far the fear of being called an anti Semite can stifle free debate and criticism of the state of Israel. Apparently I am not allowed to use the word 'racist' to describe segregationary policies in the country, or describe political Zionism as a racial endeavour. I can use the word 'racist' to describe the politics of every country on this planet with relative immunity but, apparently, not Israel.