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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. ristac

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    I’d guess it has more to do with successful car models, popular choices.

    We used to lease our cars as you often get some amazing deals. I got chatting with an owner of a leasing company a couple of years back, he was telling me how certain manufacturers would offer lease companies cars at almost production cost.

    This happens when either a model has been slated in a magazine or the older version of a model has ended with a poor reputation. The manufacturer then tries to flood the road with a certain model to make it seem a more popular choice than it already is, hence when you see a special offer on a lease car.

    Not dismissing the graph or if it has any relation to Brexit, just pointing out car manufacturers are renowned for trying to fool the market.
     
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  2. Eric Le Merde

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    I think you'll get pulled up for not starting the y axis at zero, sensitive lot these Brexiters, they always provide unambiguous data
     
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  3. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    Not my graph. But it shows car sales at 1.7m at time of referendum, rising to 1.75m later in 2016, then declining to under 1.4m and with the rate of decline accelerating.

    I take your point that the graph makes it more dramatic - but it is dramatic, anyway.
     
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  4. 2 pennth

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    No need to worry it's all part of the realignment.
     
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  5. Oldsparkey

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    I live about 7 miles from the Bridgend engine plant and know a number of people working there. Closure (or severe curtailment) has been on the cards for more than 8 years - well before the Brexit referendum was even proposed.

    The working practices there were uneconomic when compared to other Ford facilities on the world stage and most understood their jobs were at risk. Ford wanted to run it down then but had accepted sizeable funding from the Welsh Assembly to continue its' operations there - it would have been embarrassing to pull the plug at that time.

    They embarked on a voluntry retirement process instead, and the writing was on the wall years ago.

    A neighbour a few doors away from me worked there for 25 years and got out just before Ford sold off Volvo (about 8 years back?). He was only mid 50's at the time and was offered a great VER package including a new massively subsidised Volvo at a ridiculously discounted price as they owned Volvo at the time. The incentives were massive to produce as soft a closure as possible even back then.

    The JLR engine contract with Ford kept them going, but now JLR are going to make them themselves and the exisiting contract will terminate in 2020, that was the end game. It was coming with or without Brexit.
     
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    Just more scaremongering
     
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  8. Whitejock

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    This is the source of this graph.

    https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/manufacturing/

    There are other data to expand on it if anyone is that interested. I noted for instance that the number for April '19 was a 44% drop from April '18. That's an even bigger drop than the original graph suggested. It's actually catastrophic.
     
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    :emoticon-0113-sleep:emoticon-0113-sleep:emoticon-0113-sleep
     
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    Cars are not realistically priced. IMO
    Maybe this is part of the problem.
     
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  11. Whitejock

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    The other problem is quality. The problem is that the quality is so good! :) In the old days, you'd be lucky to get 5 years of reasonable reliability for most cars. Now they're all good runners for 20 years or so.
    Another one is company cars. Not so many companies do that now. Used to be that it was a good tax dodge, so very popular with companies and their workers. Those tax perks are now gone, and people have to but their own cars. For many, when they hit the 3 or 4 year point, they decide to just go with the same car, rather than buy another that will lose them 50% of its value in 3 years. VAT going up to 20% was a hige nail in this particular coffin.
     
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  12. Oldsparkey

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    Why don't people pay attention to factual things rather than post up opinions on twitter from a self interested organisation only looking out for themselves?

    Things change, and they're not necessarily as a result of a political situation - more usually an economic one and changes in circumstances. It's a changing world and has been for some time - here's another couple of examples from my home town.

    In the 80' and 90's, the place to get a job down here was the Ford Engine plant. A young guy living opposite my inlaws in Bridgend was a Sky engineer on the crest of their boom and he'd worked his way up to some sort of supervisor. At the time, his father worked at Ford's and he got him in. He jacked in the Sky job and went for the money on the engine production line - shift work but it paid plenty. He's in his late 40's now and out of a job next year. That was down to chasing the good times and who can blame him I suppose.

    Before (and after) Ford came to town, Bridgend's major employer was Sony and that was the place to be. They'd built two massive TV production plants and were the world leaders in the field making and supplying Sony TV's across the UK and Europe, even supplying their own domestic market back in Japan. They were employing some 4,000 people between their two Bridgend facilities

    What happened then? Well those TV's were all CRT's and flat screen technology arrived. It all fell apart because they couldn't adapt their facilities to FST to compete with the low cost Asian producers who had siezed the market and decided to pull out.

    They shut down the one plant totally and severely reduced employment the other switching it to specialist small electronic devices like high end broadcast cameras and systems. They are still there and doing well.

    Those actions were due purely to economic and changing circumstances - nothing to do with Brexit, and it happens all the time.
     
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    I would agree with all those points :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Mr Yaxley-Lennon committing yet another offence. Notice how he bravely leaves his cocoon of minders to sneak up & punch the guy from behind. What a hero, eh?

    On a day when incredible bravery was being remembered & celebrated, he sullies it with yet another example of thuggish cowardice of the highest order. Perhaps that was his plan if he had got voted in as an MEP - sneaking into the ladies toilet & beating them up until they voted his way? Wouldn't surprise me.

    And people defend this guy! Go on, can't wait - someone please defend this example of extreme cowardice. I'm sure LL will have videos with robot voices declaring that it was an MI6 double setting him up, or some such rubbish. i expect the sound of silence.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...zbF6Ete5Ffsx3L-wOTremfuroKafPXcQliCtN35MKAOi2
     
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    20/20 and dbc always jump in with 2 feet, most of the time with no idea what they are on about, some of us have tried to educate them but have failed. :emoticon-0101-sadsm
     
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    If you walk around shouting abuse at people sooner or later you will get a slap, Harsh lesson.Funny how someone was there filming it,press set up ? Plenty I know if you get mouthy with will give you a slap, I learnt at a young age not to do it, maybe this lad will think twice in future. Try going in a pub in Brixton shouting you Black fookers, or Glasgow, saying Scottish ****ers and see what happens.He's very quick to use his fists, but then again, he get hassled a lot. Doesn't excuse him but can't say I've much sympathy for the guy who got hit either.
     
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    What I love are these ****ers who quote info from twitter and statistics from the internet, and then spout them on here as their own informed opinions.

    I'm not saying you need to live it to understand it, but I'd much rather listen to someone who'd experienced recent history and understood the reasons for it, than repeat others like a ****ing parrot. <ok>
     
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    One has to remember that there are many in this world who don't have one original thought in their heads or an opinion of their own, they have never understood what IMO means. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  19. Ringo Lion

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    Bang on Chesh, the bloke had already had his say earlier and then went back for seconds, not sure what he said that riled Tommy but it must had been over the top for him to crack him one. I was well aware of boundaries as a young ‘un but sometimes I overstepped the mark and got a clump for it, that’s life!!
     
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    That's how I take it as well, couldn't quite make out what was said after, but it sounded like, cross the line again and you'll get knocked out again.We don't know what was said, and we all have different breaking points, but the way to stay safe is, if in doubt, keep your mouth shut.
     
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