Exactly, we all go around in circles , the issue actually is very simply summed up in that one sentence. The difficulty is that parliament thinks it’s more important than the people. We have to find a way to force Brexit through Parliament, even if MPs don’t want it, because the people’s will is more important than MPs, who’s only function should be to enforce the will of the people , wether they agree with it or not.
Last nights Peterborough election result.... 1st Labour 10,484 votes 2nd Brexit 9, 801 votes 3rd Tories 7,243 votes 4th Lib Dems 4,159 votes 5th Green 1,035 votes Corbyn has said the result was a rejection of the Tories disastrous handling of Brexit. Lisa Forbes (who won the seat for Labour) hailed the result as a defeat to the Brexit Party's politics of division. The fact that the Brexit Party have been rejected in Peterborough shows that the politics of division will not win. Mike Greene (who stood for the Brexit Party) said they had been unable to match Labour's organisation on the ground. Two parties have been ruling this country for decades. That's not happening anymore. We are ahead of the Tories and only just 683 votes behind Labour. They had decades of data. We had nothing just 6 weeks ago. We don't have the voting history they have in this area. Yet we still beat the Tories and we are right behind Labour. My take on this result.... I said before many times in this thread that general elections will show Labour and the Tories have loyal voters and will vote for them no matter what. This result last night in Peterborough proves as its an area that has always been dominated by Labour and Tories. Apart from loyalty, why would anyone vote for the Tories? No one knows who their leader will be yet. Some may have been worried that Boris will be next PM so voted against the Tories. Also, who would vote for Labour if you are not loyal to them? They have no clear vision for Brexit as they cannot agree between them what they would do. But they have other things on their manifesto which has been more liked by the locals than the Tories. The Lib Dems who had a great Euro electons recently, have gone backwards here. They now may be thinking that they may not do as well at a general election. The Greens had a bad night too coming 5th. The Brexit Party, who are still constructing a manifesto and only 6 weeks old, for last nights election for Peterborough, had nothing apart from Brexit as their policy. They stuffed the Lib Dems and the Greens put together. They beat the Tories and were only just 683 seats behind the winners, Labour, in Labours back yard. I see this as a success for the Brexit Party and will only get stronger with a manifesto while the Tories fudge up leaving the EU. Congrats to Labour here but they are deluded if they think this result shows Peterborough and the country are now rejecting the Brexit Party.
Parliament is there to serve the people. MPs are the people as well. But each had one vote, as did we all. They are abusing their position, trying to make their one vote more important than each of ours. I know they are in a position of conflict as they are having to go against their own views, but it's what they are paid for. If they can't do their job because of their beliefs, they should step aside.
That’s pretty much what my post went on to say The problem is they are refusing to carry out the will of the people and there doesn’t appear to be a mechanism to make them , hence being stuck in ground hog day.
The only way to get them out is to vote them out at a GE. Can't imagine labour or conservatives wanting to tackle a GE at the moment.
Probably that the Tory and Brexit Party will cut each others throat and Corbyn and Mrs Abacus will form the next Government.
A GE doesn’t achieve anything, it would ensure a new crop of MPs , but doesn’t mean they will act any different to the present ones, Although I don’t agree with Dominic Raab’s suggestion, he appears to at least be attempting to look for a way to force it through.
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Just will not happen like that however much I would wish it so. Mrs May thought exactly that in the last election since the Referendum. She didn't understand no matter how much the Labour North voters want Brexit they would rather boil in hell than vote Tory. If there's an election, (I can't imagine that as the Tories would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas), then I'm my opinion we'll all end up living in Corbyn's Wonderland. At least Rob will be happy.
Do you not find that a bit hypocritical though? If you're 100% British, once we're out of the EU, you wouldn't be able to move to Spain... Not sure what to think of the Peterborough result. Being completely objective here, yes the Brexit Party did very well, but Peterborough voted overwhelmingly to leave. You'd have thought Brexit Party would win there of all places. It's difficult to extrapolate from here imo either way.
What, do you think with the knowledge that Corbyn & co could form government we would actually leave? I don't think it would happen.....Hence I would be legible to move to Spain!! ahhh and who said that I was 100% British?... as to the Peterborough result, I agree with redprintt, I see that The Brexit Party & Cons will possibly cut their own throats......worrying times!!
Yeah exactly it was just an assumption, of course I have no idea. But you yourself have demonstrated that under certain circumstances you'd want to be able to go and move to and live in a different country, but then you vote to take it away from future generations.... I know it's down to far more than just that point of course so I'm not trying to trigger a debate. Just something to think about.
I agree with Rob ,I’m not sure you can extrapolate anything from last nights result. Peterborough was over 60% leave , I expected them to win , if I was a Brexit Party supporter , I’d be a little disappointed, Thats not to say they didn’t do well, just not quite as well as I expected.
Only to find the ones replacing them have exactly the same views potentially, Both the main Parties at the last GE stood on a platform of making Brexit happen, if another GE is held they may not, in those circumstances individual MPs could legitimately claim it’s not their mandate to do it . That’s why this lot must be the ones to do it.
